Borzoi mistakenly does the second of now three parts on understanding the sociology and psychology and the culture of school shooters by reviewing school shooter materials chronologically from Charles Whitman to Cho Seung-Hui.
Intro Song: Vexations by Erik Satie
Outro Song: String Quartet no. 2, Op. 17 (Sz. 67) by Bela Bartok
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Part 3 will release normally next week as it’s 90% recorded.
Part 2 was actually a lot less dark than part 1, I think a part of the darkness of part 1 was dwelling on Adam Lanzas words, if they are really his….. But you changed it stylistically which made it easier to handle
Keep in mind most of part 2 was recorded as part of a single episode so for me I can’t really remember a distinction. Part 3 is worse. I get fed up after Nikolas Cruz and Audrey Hale
Ya I’m not looking forward to Nikolas Cruz….
The reading of Eric Harris words was a good reminder of how the media really put these guys in a light that made them idols for the nobodys..
I’m interested to know why you were interested enough to put this much energy into school shooters. It’s definitely an interesting subject but it weighs heavily…
What you mentioned about Nazi fetishism immediately reminded me of a situation a real-life friend’s girlfriend is currently going through. She has a clearly mentally ill “friend” who has in the last decade fallen into a religious cult, married a nigger, come out as a furry LGBT, declared himself a Nazi, become a MAGA Republican, and in the last year he’s become a hyper-Zionist trying to use his non-existent right of return to move to Israel. She wants to “save” him, while the rest of the friend group doesn’t see the point and agrees that he’s insane and potentially dangerous.… Read more »
About the Esoterica channel: I’ve read a ton of classical philosophy and esoteric Platonism (to figure out if Jews were actually demonic) and, the deeper I got the more I enjoyed it but I also discovered that 90% of people who are into esoteric stuff are insane and do believe in magic. Pagan gang have no clue the mountains of insanity paganism opens the door to. Sure, you will get 0.1% of Platos and Ciceros, but the other 99.9% will be retards sacrificing chickens to summon demons and scammers selling talismans. When Christianity said you can only ask God to… Read more »
99% of people using or criticising Evola and Nieztche have not read them. It bugs me as I have read most if not all from them and this retarded school shooter is just finding emotional excuses, all of them are!!!! I feel for their nihilism, we are all cooking on the same pot, but after listening to this I realised they are weak evil people finding excuses to be cruel. Nonetheless… it looks like nobody listens or talks to anyone in the US. These kids need to talk to a social worker or someone. Idk… the US seems to be… Read more »
Awesome stuff. Thanks for enduring the darkness to bring us this content!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lords_of_Chaos_(criminal_group)
I don’t know if you’re familiar with this incident, it’s not a school shooting but imo it fits with the school shooter mindset in terms of vengeful antisocial thinking and behavior
I thought the Bethel school shooter was a chug. Granted my memories are really rusty.
I know that his dad took a semi auto AR-18 and a .44 magnum and held the office of a newspaper hostage due to being a paranoid psycho and his brother did armed robbery on a porno shop. Additionally his foster siblings got him the shotgun and taught him how to use it.
Like you said, he never had a chance.
Bob Geldof is a legit scumbag. He got famous off of a song making light of a school shooting, helped fund black warlord shenanigans via Live Aid and acted like a sanctimonious dick to those who couldn’t perform at the concerts, and is the reason why Michael Hutchence killed himself (he married Hutchence’s ex-wife and refused to let Hutchence see the kids he had with his former wife) I remember reading about how one of the surviving kids reportedly had nightmares for years of Brenda Spencer coming back to kill him at vulnerable moments (while sleeping, in the bathroom etc.)… Read more »
I just started listening so I don’t know yet if it’s mentioned but I have a pet personal theory that the Patrick Purdy/1989 Cleveland elementary shooting case was essentially a dry run for glowie organized “far right terror” because of all the parallels to more recent incidents Supposedly targeted a “protected group” (cambodian refugee kids) Used a “boogeyman” gun (a Norinco type 56 semi auto AK, this incident and the Joseph Wesbecker incident which also involved use of the same gun caused a huge media uproar) Had “Hizbollah” and “Death to the Great Satin” slogans written on his flak jacket… Read more »
Jared Loughner smoked salvia which no doubt exacerbated his mental illness. He also killed federal judge John Roll and 4 others I believe.
Thank you for doing this.
Really I think the only way to prevent shooters like the Alaska shooter is to prevent broken families like his. It’s a shame that he grew up that way, but it doesn’t give him a excuse to be a degenerate scumbag. I grew up in poverty and with an absent father, that doesn’t give me the right to go commit atrocities because it’d just create more broken families and absent fathers.
As a Michigan man with a penchant for the macabre you might be familiar with the Bath School Disaster of 1927 which resulted in 45 deaths, 38 of them being children conducted by some crazy rightoid upset over taxes being raised who went about setting explosives off at this school, figured it’s worth a dishonorable mention being as it is a school massacre, but no guns were used.
Yeah that story is so fucked up and evil
I am accustomed to researching unpleasant and disturbing material. I often breaks to decompress and re-enter myself. Nice work, Borzoi!
Have you ever come across the book Hunting Humans by professor emeritus of anthropology Elliott Leyton? I’m 40 now and as early as 11 I had a dark fascination with serial murderers, and of all the gawdy accounts I’ve read and even the profiler perspectives of the likes of Douglas and Ressler, never had I encountered a more interesting socio-historical investigation of the phenomenon, to the point where I used it as a main source for a research methods project I had in college for which I got 100%. I believe you’d find it interesting, anyway, back to the abyss… Read more »
this is all very similar to the adult paedophile killer duo Ian Brady & Myra Hindley – Brady ticks all the boxes – grandiose pseudo-Nietszche philosophical ideas, nazi-philia, paedophilia
The only thing that can be done for pedophiles and those that defend them is the same thing that Zeus did to Prometheus. Chain them to a rock on an island and let the crows eat their livers
As soon as you said that one guy was called Bastien by his friends I was immediately bombarded with images from The Never Ending Story. Which is relevant to the topic because these shooters are; in their nihilism, the nothing or perhaps the wolves assisting the nothing.
And not to get too esoteric the nothing is obviously judaism as Ryan Gosling’s character would tell you in that movie where he’s the nazi Jew. Kabbalah be like that. I miss the POZ Button.
I actually used to watch Sledge’s youtube videos. Then in a podcast I found out abt his connections to the Pearl HS shooting. That cocked an eyebrow- that was 2022 or thereabouts. My aunt lived in Pearl at the time and I asked her to ask around. No one really remembered him, the few ppl she could find who went to school with him that were still there just described him as a weirdo. He’s married to a negress “rabbi” and he treats his judaism as some D&D larp. He isn’t a blood jew.
This wasn’t a mistake. It is a rather difficult and unpleasant subject- but no one is talking about it- someone has to. One can be an atomized individual, but once the material benefit that is supposed to come along with it isn’t there, all that’s left is a yawning empty abyss of nihilism, that’s my take away. The yawning abyss was always there, it was just papered over, it was never going to last, it’s a cheap magicians trick. Woodham, Klebold etc. all sensed this. That doesn’t make them clever- that’s just how shitty the trick is. Their answer was… Read more »
Same thoughts came to mind as well. Sophomoric Nietzsche worship, Self centered egoistic narcissism; which is the main thread Borz says “here it is again, more of the same” in going through the diaries/manifestos. This toddler like narcissism has replaced the Soul. They do not see other people as other living beings with the common simple essence of humanity. They see all just as units is their mind made movie story. Our culture of narcissism (C. Lasch) has peaked in front of us, increasing in last 25 -35 years.
Yeah I fucked up my life looking for the truth. My bad.
I really enjoy the almost skitzo monologue throughout – debating whether it’s worth delving into this topic. I highly doubt anyone here would fault you for “giving the shooters a platform”. If they do, they only solidify your statement about Americans refusing to puncture these harsh realities. Yes, school shootings will keep happening. But how will we, as parents, navigate this sick landscape if we’re mired in taboo? I like the part where you basically say “I’m over it, we need to talk about this.”
It should be noted that chinese autism is different than regular autism
The non-White shooters in general gave me a really weird and uncomfortable feeling. Jealous and spiteful, driven by envy, yet they shouldn’t even be living here amongst us to begin with. Just fuck off if you hate us so much, but we all know who invited them here.
I agree. Sometimes I feel bad for Asian men who grow up in Western countries because they’re usually weird, autistic and introverted.
Oh shit I remember the vampire freaks forum, those people were retarded coupled with being a indian, that’s a combo for being fucked in the head
I commented on the last episode about a parallel between Kip Kinkle and Ethan Crumbly- in that both of them were weirdos whose fathers tried to connect with them through buying them firearms so I wasn’t surprised to hear in this episode about two of the female shooters (the recent one and the “Mondays” one from the 70s) got their guns in a similar manner. Four out of god knows how many of these shootings can hardly be considered a “profile” but it’s probably a good parenting reminder that adding guns to the equation of your kid who has some… Read more »
PS. I caught when you said you were going to do a show with Nick. Is that “a” show or a whole other series?
Fuck yes! My new favorite podcast!
Borzoi being on the verge of a existential crisis and mental breakdown is always the best content
The punk goth Native American or Chicano is actually a pretty common type I’ve encountered. While alcoholism, drug abuse, and sexual abuse within families is par for the course when it’s comes to the Native American community. Some of it is the sign of a truly defeated and conquered people who see no future and honestly you see this also with many lower and middle class Whites across America for the past twenty years.
I was present during a school shooting. A friend took his life and killed our principle. (Red Lion Middle school.). I heard shots and chaos. He did it in the cafeteria where hundreds of kids sat around and waited before they could go to homeroom. Fucked up world.
I appreciate you doing this episode Borzoi.
There’s a great little novella called “Vexations” about the composition, Satie and Suzanne Valadon
Another good Borz quote to steal (i may have took liberty and added a bit) “As an american i am already handicapped, and have to do my utmost through rigorous introspection to find the best way to live”
Borzoi content is always a cause for rejoice
Klebold and Harris sounds like a kid’s show.
…or a financial entity which went defunct in 2008.
Or one of those diabanded aughts talk shows that live rent free in Jessie and Mike’s heads
HARRIS / KLEBOLD 2028
Listening to my own comment read back and I realize I am very wordy and also very talkative in real life, at least when it comes to subjects I’m passionate about. Not saying I’m passionate about school shooters or anything but more so find their reasonings and petulant ramblings interesting. Weirdly, I find Jeff Weise the most normal out of all of them but such as he was born in a shit situation it all ended in one and expectedly so. Everyone else just reminds me a lot of the edginess and wanting to be transgressive nature every teenager and… Read more »
I can tell you definitively being at the end of the manifestos now that Jeff Weise is the only real sympathetic person outside of people like Charles Whitman who had brain problems. The kid never had a chance with his sensitivity and intelligence with his family background and the culture he was surrounded by and who is co-ethnics were. His story is just heartbreaking and tragic.
When you got to him I turned my head and was intrigued. Really well thought out and cogent reasonings for his beliefs but no one of his own who would take him seriously.
Same. What I realised in this podcast is that nihilism doesn’t explain what they do, they use nihilism as an excuse. The real victims of nihilism are people who kills themselves and people who check out of life but these killers are evil, cruel pieces of shit who had one set back in life like and use it to excuse their cruelty.
I held back from commenting last episode because I’m always conscious of the meme “here’s a list of embarrassing facts about me, please don’t bully me with them” One of the reasons I find this topic so interesting is because I was close to going down the incel path, hanging out on /r9k/ and reveling in being weird and unlikeable. It’s all just a narcissistic cope. I had enough self awareness to realize the problem was always with me. Before coming to TRS I got wrapped up in the self improvement cult of Jordan Peterson (yeah I know) Joe Rogan,… Read more »
I will hug you and be your father.
This is one of the best examples of why America needs to die out completely. The problem isn’t guns or liberties or even industrial society. The problem is that the American is the most corrosive to life creature in existence, and it would be better for the biosphere of earth were the American to go extinct.
You guys in the new world deserve to split America among yourselves. Create new real countries.
Based
I couldn’t escape the Jewish attitude of sledge or whatever his name is with his comment of brains over brawn and resentment of the Chad. He was doing the bit of smart people should be in charge just because they see themselves as smart
Thanks Borzoid!!!
Oh gawd the darkest show in borzAI history returns
Thank you for releasing the second part of this. It’s nice to hear about this topic from someone with our perspective instead of the typical youtuber deep dive/iceberg format dotted with adverts for GamerSupps or various VPN reads.
A true crime podcast from an /ourguy/ perspective that calls out the bullshit would be interesting. If I had infinite resources I’d try my hand at it.
I’ve never encountered school shooter fandoms. Even on the internet
Neither have I, but the internet has all kinds of weird corners you never see. Things to keep you up at night.
At the time when “the white school shooter myth took off” America was still majority white. It became more diverse as the population became more diverse
I remember the virgina tech shooting. I was in middle school when I saw the news and his wierd droning voice always spooked me more than any other shooter who has video. All the others seemed like anti social losers or mental cases.
South Koreans love the vtech shooter and call him General Cho because they view him as an anti-White revolutionary
Truly Worst Korea