James, Alex, and returning guest Borzoi sit down to discuss one of the most contentious issues of our time: divorce and the dissolution of the family. The hosts range across a wide variety of topics on everything from the financial and social situation of divorcees to the the effect on children and how modern social expectations may be making marriages harder and harder to maintain.
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Referenced Studies and Articles:
Divorce Skyrocketing Among Aging Boomers
Fast Facts: Preventing Intimate Partner Violence
Divorce Rate by Education Level: Understanding The Relationship Between Divorce and Education
The link between a college education and a lasting marriage
The Differing Demographic Profiles of First-Time Married, Remarried and Divorced Adults
What does friendship look like in America?
Not Getting Divorced Could Save Your Marriage
Gender Differences in the Consequences of Divorce: A Study of Multiple Outcomes
‘It’s hell’: How divorce laws are designed to create unnecessary financial hardship for women
Parental divorce or separation and children's mental health
Do Marital Interventions Work?
2 Cute, Handy Charts On Interracial Marriage & Divorce by Jim Goad
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I question Borzoi if the lack of friends of because of diversity. I will use Japan & Korea as an example. I also used this example when people said diversity is why people aren’t having children. Many in Japan & Korea aren’t just going sexless. They are also going friendless. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M3okP9WdCUA
Good luck finding a marriage counselor that isn’t a jew. You wanna talk about over representation look up marriage counselors
Family law is a Jewish money making scheme.
I was ordered by a Jewish judge to take my kids to a Jewish council who was located in the Jewish Community Center and everyone had to be evaluated by a Jewish psychologist.
OK McNabb, I bought a penguin, now what?
Well lemme tell you your first mistake here….
I just realized you use the same intro music for White Papers and BTN. Thought I was having a Brandon moment there for a second heheh. Enjoyed the show. I think we can all agree on one thing: Kicking the Jews out of the driver’s seat of modern societal trends will be a huge improvement.
excellent episode as always.
I think that when trying to apply logic to women’s thinking is wrong because in my experience women do not think logically. This is why women are unpredictable. This makes the ideas of what they want unfalsifiable.
Correct.
Women have about as much of an idea of what will make them happy and satisfied as I do of what mushrooms in the forest are safe to eat. The difference is I know damn well I have no idea. It’s extremely easy to implant FOMO and FUD into a woman’s mind.
If you guys do an episode on boomer violence you should look up the story of Carl Drega.
For the phenomenon of seeing White men with Black wives I propose the term “Bill Burrification”.
Long time coming with the dismissal of 50% of marriages end in divorce. Back when Stefan Molymeme was talking about it, TRS was still a facebook group at the time, and Stef was wrong then too. 50% was based off the divorce rates of multiple failed marriages. For all first marriages, the divorce rate was 33%. It’s a stat the manosphere and later incels have been wrong about the whole time they’ve been siting it. It’s amazing how statistics from decades ago are widely accepted as fact when newer data is significantly different. The state of the world you thought… Read more »
The amount of attention most women need nowadays is exhausting and idk how some y’all do it.
I think the “redpill” mansophere guys are also out of touch, most of them were dating in the 80s and 90s. But listening to these guys I though I was listening to Mat Walsh. What the tradcons, and the red-pillers are missing is that allot of women don’t want committed relationships at all anymore. They wont divorce rape you because they wont get married, they wont take your kids because they wont have kids. I like by the numbers, but PLEASE talk to some young men and women out there so you can get an idea what its like on… Read more »
I think the manosphere guys are nigger faggots.
We do statistics not anecdotes.
Google “Reaching the Modern Independent Woman” 1217 respondents.
Found that only 20% of women 30-45 put getting married as a top priority, and only 8% having kids. #1 was priority living alone, followed by career. Men may also be avoiding marriage, but its not like most women are interested either.
Yeah, that’s been a big portion of my problem, all but 2 girls I’ve dated in my entire life didn’t want to get married or have kids. As far as I know, none of them have, and of the 2 girls I dated that did, only 1 got married, at least last I heard.
Well, you see it in media, I see it in reality at work every day, it’s highly disconcerting.
The “sociopathic monkey climber” James described dating sounds like a woman with Histrionic Personality Disorder.
For a bunch of guys that rip on boomers constantly, this is an incredibly boomer take. Please get some guys on here that are actually trying to date in 2023.
Women are having less sex than men because they have lower sex drives? What universe are you living in?
I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe.
If you take Liberal Ideas to their ultimate conclusion, there’s no point in Marriage at all in a Liberal Society. Marriage limits the Liberty of the Individual, as does Children and Family in general. Moreover, the Family is a drain on the Individual’s resources and the services which a family provides is provided by the State in a Liberal Society. In the ideal Liberal society, procreation would be accomplished by artificial means or else, lacking the technology for artificial procreation, a Liberal population should be maintained entirely by migration. In a Liberal society, Marriage, Children and Families are essentially LARPing… Read more »
In my opinion, with sex, there is Patriarchy, and then there is everything else. Parents create their children and therefore children are their parents possessions, and the man being the stronger sex is the natural leader of the family. Islam still does it the correct and natural way with arranged marriages. Divorce is not an issue because in the case of infidelity, traitors should be shot. Everything below that standard is simply forms of liberal individualistic degeneracy. Be Authoritarian or be Liberal, and accept that the outcomes are different, with Liberalism inevitably leading towards the extinction of the family, as… Read more »
This does not sound like the opinion of a married man with children.
I don’t think arranged marriage is natural my nigga. Seems sort of artificial.
I’m not my parents’ possession, they belong to me.
FYI I know of 2 women who have gotten SCREWED by divorce. The one woman was wealthy and her gold-digger hubby planned his looting of her to the Nth degree and has truly fucked her over. The other woman got her self in a situation wherein her hubby (who is a selfish asshole, too) was her money slave to almost 20 years. She screwed around on him behind his back for years. He finally dumped her, and paid alimony for 3 years. A lot of alimony. It’s ending and she has screwed herself over because all she’s done is drink,… Read more »
The promotion of divorce began, in earnest, in the Jewlywood films of the 1930’s. There were a slew of films depicting divorce as glamourous and desirable. Ironically, a wonderful film called “The Women” depicts the agonies and misery of divorce. There’s a scene in which the mother – a very wealthy socialite, breaks the news of her impending divorce to her small daughter. The dialogue is a bit outdated (this film depicts the manners and mores of a wealthy WASP elite in NYC. There isn’t any hurling of objects and cursing and screaming) – but the daughter’s reaction is heartbreaking.… Read more »
Devon Stack had a good video covering divorce. It was covering the film “Divorce American Style” starring Dick Van Dyke.
I have a coworker who is 41 with 4 kids from 4 different dads working a shit job and says “someday I’ll find the love of my life,” and also fawns over her 5000 Facebook follower simps (probably the half of town that fucked her or is in the process of fucking her, the other half Indians jerking off to her), saying “I have so many followers, maybe I should start charging money!” Her body looks like a tube of toothpaste, she isn’t fit at all, she has tattoos all over, but she has a pretty white face and is… Read more »
What you describe is truly unique to America and to a lesser extent Canada and Australia. You will not see this type of behavior/lifestyle en masse in any other country/society around the world including Europe.
Same thing with drugs. The EU got ~450 million people, 1 million are addicted to opioids. The US: 330 million, 5-8 million addicts. I wonder why there is such a big difference? I don’t think it was like this 50 years ago.
Your username is satisfyingly disturbing.
My graphics card doesn’t do ray tracing.
The solution is White Nationalism, as always…
Modern women lack the fear of being divorced and destitute women had prior to ludicrous Jewish propaganda like Sex in the City.
A significant percentage of the population think TV is real or at least representative of reality.
Divorced boomer here. I agree for the most part with everything said. My only criticism is it doesn’t account for the cultural environment that Boomers grew up in. A couple of things that aren’t really quantifiable but were hugely influential on boomers was the electric Jew and the rise of drug use including antidepressants. There is a joke that the happiest place on was Mayberry, North Carolina because the only person who was married was Otis and he was the town drunk. I have been trying to think of the shows that depicted normal intact families with parents and children.… Read more »
If you commute to work which most people do and your friends are at work chances are you’ll barely see them outside of it. Their lack of specificity around what constitutes a close friend (not excluding siblings, partners etc) makes the data pretty worthless unfortunately. It’s definitely a lot worse. Also, with regard to marriage, there’s an entire ostensibly Jewish profession (secular marriage counselling) that presents itself as a solution but only seems to make things worse based on anecdotal evidence. I’ve personally had a relationship sabotaged by the interference of a girlfriend’s co-workers (flags and single mothers lmao). Glad… Read more »
In regards to Japanese families, women are the masters of the household and men are outwardly facing. It’s generally the case she’ll get your paycheck and even give you an allowance
As someone who’s parents were married before I was born (I’m the first born, two younger siblings), and are still married 35+ years later, I’ve only known one other person that didn’t grow up in a divorced household. Everyone else I’ve ever met, even co-workers, all divorced or eternally single.
It hits people, it hits them real damn hard, and the system that created it, incentivized it, rewarded it, and exacerbates it is outright evil.
Upvoting just for the screen name.
I grew up in a family that was together, until my father died. I don’t like admitting that I got hit hard, but it’s nothing compared to my two sisters – one who is three years my younger, one who was in 4th grade. That was a death. Divorce should not be permitted if there are children – I don’t care about the age of majority in regards to this, if you have children you are locked into that relationship. The chain of ancestor to descendant cannot be broken.
I’d say about 2/3s of my peers at university had parents who were divorced or had experienced drug (alcohol) abuse in their families.
I liked just for your username
The Australian Ballot was Based ™ and manosphere-pilled because it made it possible for men to lie to their wives about who they voted for.
This is usually one of my favorite shows, but you jamokes are speculating about something you know fuck-all about. I spent a career in a military community that holds about a >90% divorce rate, towards the end of which, I got divorced with 3 kids, so I was in and out of court over the course of 4 years; long and short, I’ve seen a whole lot of this topic, this is not “just me”. First, divorce is EXTREMELY incentivized for women. In most states, a marriage over 10 years is considered “long term”, so the length of Spousal Support… Read more »
Man, I know a guy who was a CFO for a company and then ended up working at jumba juice or whatever as a normal wagie afterwards. Sure, he recovered eventually, but damn.
You would be much less upset if you got yourself a falcon.
I’ve often felt that a falcon would resolve multiple issues.
Military marriages are notoriously fragile and are an outlier given the unique strain they come under. Many military marriages are rushed and occur right before enlistment/deployment (to take advantage of military benefits) during the honeymoon period when the good memories that help form strong bonds that get you through the bad spells are formed. They’re basically long distance relationships. Of course divorce rape is real and incentivized but the mgtow/manosphere view that it’s common (which is what they addressed) is retarded. They talk as if what happens to Billionaires/Hollywood celebrities who marry psychopathic gold diggers will happen to them if… Read more »
Some good points. First though, these points are not specific to that gaggle of no-pussy-getting pudgy shut-in’s that occupy muh-Man-O-Sphere. As for divorce rape, I heard stories year after year for 2 decades and watched from the front row for 4 years; a man getting cleaned out *IS* the default outcome. There are instances where a couple can separate amicably, but a woman has to actively state that she’s not requesting spousal support, a piece of the retirement, etc. There’s the even rarer instance where the woman makes more, in which case they can get hammered the same way, but… Read more »
what did you call them?
Call who?
Being in the military has traumatized me seeing how fucked up marriages are in that community. The amount of infidelity is insane. Women will volunteer for deployments just to cheat on their husbands. And it’s not just a handful. It’s at least half of them.
Granted the military community is pretty awful regarding relationships.
By The Boomers
As a guy who comes from a broken home I’m very excited to listen to this episode. It amazes me how much my dad matches the boomer archetype.
My mother as well.
Don’t take this the wrong way but I always feel really lucky when I read your doomposts. I hope you make it, bro…
Did your father marry a Phillipino?
Americans having the shallow, posturing mind virus of “look how different we are but still get along” is like spraying some Febreze into a rotting garbage can. The self-congratulatory liberal appeal just leads to relationships atomizing themselves from the community as they can’t even create a trustworthy social foundation for their values. People whine about “echo chambers,” but traditional communities and societies weren’t built on a tolerance for your child to be manipulated by whatever religion or ideology your neighbors just happen to have. Just another result of the compelled and prideful self-destruction of boundaries.
I speak to people all over the country, and I had a very long conversation with a Boomer aged homosexual in Seattle, WA. He fervently initially assured me that he NEVER believed in national borders, but now he’s witnessing,,,what…actually…happens…when all kinds alien orcs (my word) flood in to your once beautiful neighborhoods. Whitey, of all stripes, is on a very high racial reality learning curve
>tfw your life is statistically predictable
Excluding the activist class alt girls, I have noticed that college educated women do tend to be more attractive, level headed, and just overall more well rounded individuals, so it’s not surprising that they’re less inclined to divorce
Coupled with the possibility that college-educated women are more level-headed or have a lower time preference, you have to remember that college grad women will marry later and have a higher income, which means they will inherently marry someone with a higher income, which all greatly reduces any financial incentive.
Long and short, *if* they don’t get divorced as often, it’s just as likely that it’s because there’s no incentive for it than because 4 years of Marxism made them a better person.
Rightoids can’t accept that some of the most attractive women you’ll ever meet. And for the most part, they’re normal.
Agree and amplify.
Well, I don’t have a college degree, so college educated girls aren’t really an option for me.
hEII yAe BoRTHeR saturday gontents
My parents would have been married for 44 years in 2023 if both were still alive.
neither of their children are married and only one of the siblings has procreated (one time).
This is why Gen z have a burning hatred of Jews playing money games until 2008 many of thier family were destroyed by it
Honorary Hyperpodcastism episode
I just realized (what gen A, gen B and brain damaged millennials call “today years old”) that theres an entire podcast on the white papers substack and its already up to 25 episodes. CONTENT
Cyan and I are incredibly proud of the WPs podcast! Someone recently told me it is a more “NPR” style show than BTN.
BTN is where I get to let the guard down a bit and have a few more laughs cohosting with Alex (and the wonderful Borzoi on occasion).
Both shows get a lot of attention in terms of prep and detail, though!
Wait so you do a show without McNabb? Where can this be found?
https://whitepapersinstitute.substack.com/
I’m one of the rare people whose parents got divorced and then like three years later married each other again, because, let’s be honest, they weren’t going to do any better, also my sister and I weren’t going to accept any step bullshit or any of that nonsense. You gotta be tough with parents, especially boomer ones, the only things they understand are psychological manipulation and force.
>You gotta be tough with parents, especially boomer ones, the only things they understand are psychological manipulation and force.
So relatable
And pillows
Real talk.
Hi Cartman
My parents went through a year long separation phase but sorted it out eventually too.