In the fourth installment of By the Numbers James and Alex return to true one-hour form. The hosts dive into the complex miasma that is the fertility rate question and barely scratch the surface. From studies on the failures of policymakers to the importance of marriage and the disruption of traditional Western family formation. Listen in on the first of what will be many shows related to these pressing demographic topics.
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Referenced Studies and Articles:
What the Latest Current Population Survey Tells Us About the Future of Fertility
New Report: For Fertility, Marriage Still Matters
The Policy Response to Declining Fertility Rates in Japan: Relying on Logic and Hope Over Evidence
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Very interesting topic. I wonder if home size (square footage) has anything to do with family size. Would a small home (<1,500 SF) in a rural area with acreage result in a small family? Or would the opposite be true in a dense urban area?
My elder brother is a 43 year old Firefighter without children, I am a 40 year old Firefighter with 2 children and my sister is a 36 year old with 3 children, and our Father was a Computer Chip Designer. My Father’s Father was a Firefighter with 4 children who was married to the daughter of a Factory Worker with 7 children. My Mother’s Father was a Lineman with 6 children. My Father’s Grandfather was a Shoe Factory Worker with 10 children. The Family shrinks with each generation. I’m sure that is true for most White Americans.
The more children you have the more resources you must give to them, and therefore having less children makes sense within the Liberal mindset. Only within traditional authoritarian societies does it make sense to have many children. As Liberal ideals replaced traditional European ideals, the birth rate dropped. As Non-Europeans embraced Liberal ideals, their birth rates have also dropped. Liberalism is about self creation, not procreation.
“In Ancient Athens Females married as young as 14 or 16. In Spartan marriages, females were around 18 and males were around 25. In the Roman Empire, the Emperor Augustus introduced marriage legislation, the Lex Papia Poppaea, which rewarded marriage and childbearing. The legislation also imposed penalties for both men and women who remained unmarried, or who married but for whatever reason failed to have children, between the ages of 25 and 60 for men, and 20 and 50 for women. Women who were Vestal Virgins were selected between the ages of 6 and 10 to serve as priestesses in… Read more »
That actually makes quite a bit of sense. You aren’t a fully mature adult till you raised children up to the point where they are able to get married.
I really appreciate these analyses. I feel less blackpilled despite the problems persisting because it provides insight into what a workable solution might be, to more properly understand the problem.
prolly an obvious statement but I wanted to say it.
Honestly a decline in population is a good thing. The problem is when we have replacement migration to go along with it.
Good show, thanks guys.
Excellent work gentlemen. This topic needs a part 2 or 3.
This if factually wrong because Jewish representation in a society is totally decoupled from their birth-rates. Following said “outdated lifestyle” automatically reduces atomization although that isn’t really the point I want to stomp on. The idea that you can peg sub-replacement fertility to Jews and blacks is simply retarded when one observes this same exact crash happens all over planet Earth regardless of which racial demographics are involved. You would have to posit a totally ridiculous theory of “Jewish miasma” that just magically poisons the minds of people in India, China, Russia, etc and then retcon this into explaining historical… Read more »
Was that the case for NSDAP Germany? I highly doubt it
Dude show me one country in the world other than Iran, maybe Russia, China, and North Korea that aren’t subject to this global judeo-American Empire
There all sub replacement by the way
That’s not what I asked about
You haven’t given me anything testable or falsifiable. You would have to show that the “global Judeo-American Empire” is targeting countries to reduce their birthrates and the second you do that you’re on the hook for some really hilarious questions about why “da j00s” hate South Korea so much.
I read a long time ago delayed reproduction might extend the lifespan of the offspring. Delayed reproduction might signal the gametes that environmental conditions favor optimizing the genes for prolonged hardship and delayed reproduction. It was a theory.
I have heard this.
I should’ve added it has to do with telomeres. Telomeres are basically chunks of DNA at the end of chromosomes that we gradually lose over time. The lengths of those chunks are a sort of biological counter indicating aging to an organism’s own biology.
A couple things I’d like to see tried, or examined, in terms of family formation is a state run dating site where you have to provide ID when signing to to eliminate scams, a “tax” that’s more of a fine on those who can have kids and don’t that goes to families who have kids, paying young women in their prime fertility years to be either stay at home mothers or work in jobs where they’d be around babies and toddlers, which respectively would free up spots for men in the work force and it’d make young women who have… Read more »
How deindustrialized is the US really? Aren’t there some smaller towns with factories that are doing OK? It can’t be all McDonalds or hightec?
woah hold up
spam houston was in the comments section??
It’s as if capitalism is antinatal by design. Excesses are counted and delivered to shareholders. Profit in a demonetized system means excess for life. Dollars can’t breed.
It’s entirely dystopian and very depressing.
I think the baby bump from people leaving the cities and moving to rural areas is more a symptom of these people having accumulating wealth, or at least not living paycheck to paycheck, and country living is exponentially cheaper. When the mortgage for a 4 room 2 bathroom ranch is half the rent for a studio apartment that changes peoples perspective and they have the ability to explore options. Rural areas with no economic infrastructure have just as bad birth rates as urban sprawl rat race cities. I started this comment before hearing the very tail end and even James… Read more »
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db297.htm#:~:text=Significant%20difference%20across%20residence%20(p%20%3C%200.05).,-2&text=The%20mean%20number%20of%20births,and%201.56%20for%20rural%20areas.
Rural areas have consistently higher birth rates despite a lack of any economic advantage. You could virtually make the opposite argument, that being a poor rural dweller encourages you to have kids.
Alex, nailed the support structure issue. I just reached 40, wife is a few younger. We have 3 kids under the age of 6, and in just those 6 years the only grandparents have lost a few steps. Besides the grandparents, just the effort of 3 kids and being in our late 30s early 40s, the Extra pep is gone as we see in younger couples.
There’s a guy I know who is in a similar situation as you. I asked him why he waited so long and his answer was a combination of time to find the right girl and didn’t feel economically secure enough to take the plunge of having kids
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That was an awesome listen. One major reason for declining birthrates is because under capitalism the incentives are against having children. You’re actively shooting yourself in the foot financially by reproducing so many people are increasingly not doing it. In the olden days children provided immense benefit but now only downsides with the upsides being intangible like satisfaction or a sense of pride which isn’t enough to really motivate most people.
Well the good news about Whites being disadvantaged in college admissions is that Whites don’t have to save up money to send their kids to get college degrees. freeing up financial resources to have more children.
Whites forgoing college, especially those who are capable enough to succeed, is a foolish decision
Good show I have been wanting to explore this topic but the national implications rather than the global situation, maybe a good topic for a later episode
If incentivizing marriage works better than incentivizing births, then would incentivizing dating and relationship formation work better than marriage? Would having mandatory boy and girl scouts where teenagers could meet each other young. A draft for men and women to stay fit and meet each other. While also having state paid community activities for men and women to meet each other? I do agree with having a more spread out population with more small to medium sized towns with robust rural counties around them are optimal for community. With building bullet trains to move everything around fast.
Exposure to various chemicals/toxins, sedentary lifestyle, processed foods, drug use, wahhmens rights movement, wages not increasing yet cost of living increasing, ect. are all reasons why the world but particularly Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the US are in a demographic/population crisis. It’s like a 90 year old patient on their death bed who has heart failure, diabetes, prostate cancer, pneumonia, COPD, and dementia. All are contributing factors to the patient’s demise.
Declining fertility rates were occurring long before any of those things.
Yes but you’re missing my point which is all of those things have accelerated the decline of fertility rates. You cannot say those have absolutely nothing to do with the current situation we find ourselves in.
East Asia has a much lower fertility than the West and fertility is declining faster outside of the West at the moment. Doesn’t explain why it is a global phenomenon.
There is not one single cause for declining fertility which is my point. It is many different issues and conditions combined together which is why dismissing the ones I listed is ridiculous.
Another great show.
Have a series of one hour shows on a given topic if its a deep dive.
Wife just turned 40, I’ve got a few more years until I reach that milestone. Still weighing whether we’ll have a 4th child or not, and we kind of need to decide asap.
Anyone have experience having a kid post-40?
My wife was 40 when our last was born. There were some difficulties, mainly the same as any other physically demanding activity at 40 as opposed to your 20s: her body’s just not as young as it used to be. Delivery in particular was pretty rough. The mental stress is higher too. 40+ pregnancies are classified as high risk for a reason. Really mind your P’s and Q’s and make sure she’s being taken care of physically, nutritionally, ect. But if you’ve got the resources, the will and the love, go for it. No difficulty we experienced was enough to… Read more »
I think the population collapse is a good thing. A Darwinian Nature sorting.
“The young men are slow to mate, and thus they reach manhood with vigour unimpaired. The girls, too, are not hurried into marriage. As old and full-grown as the men, they match their mates in age and strength, and the children inherit the robustness of their parents. The sons of sisters are as highly honoured by their uncles as by their own fathers. Some tribes even consider the former tie the closer and more sacred of the two, and in demanding hostages prefer nephews to sons, thinking that this gives them a firmer grip on men’s hearts and a wider… Read more »
My wife(32) and I(32) had 3 kids in 3.75 years. Our son just started crawling and shes talking about our 4th lol.
Congrats brother!
The Benjamin Franklin observation on birth rates can be found here
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-04-02-0080
His second point alone runs directly counter to any Jewish academic in a modern college liberal arts program like my activist yenta college English teacher, who, without me having ever read this piece by Franklin, stated to me in front of the class “you’re never too poor to have children” to counter a response paper I wrote. Of course, she had to say that in front of the bunch of nigger women in her class who probably had six kids from six different drug dealers. It’s not always about confidence! You lied to me Veronica! You cunt! Then again, the… Read more »
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Considering this collapse should I avoid sending money to a 401k with the expectation I won’t retire anyways? Barring total aryan victory of course
Do it You’ll never know when you’ll need that dough.
I’m no financial expert. I HAD 2 401k that were both sitting at roughly 30k each. They did nothing from march 2020 besides lose. If one factors in interest (see shadow stats), they lost at least 20% then with inflation another loss of 20% possible. I said screw it, after one ” recovered” i liquidated it and turned it into 20k worth of gold. I still have one, but I have little faith in it. I have shiny rocks i can hold in my hand now and otherwise there’s #’s on the computer screen i can see. I do not… Read more »