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FTN: American Prometheus – Ben Franklin Deep-Dive (Part 2)

November 29, 2020 by Jazzhands McFeels

Jazz, James, and Borzoi return once again to America's founding, this time to explore the life of Ben Franklin. In this series, we present the stories of our nation's founders, told from our perspective and freed from neoliberal indoctrination and mindless jingoism. Expanding on previous episodes in the series, including American Coup D'Etat (a primer for the series), American Mephistopheles (Hamilton Deep-Dive), and American Ozymandias (Jefferson Deep-Dive), this episode is a survey of the cultural and political context in which Franklin lived, his many contributions, especially in the field of science and Pre-Revolutionary American populism, as well as his faults and unfortunate associations. If it's Sunday, it's FTN!

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Special thanks to Frontierland for the Part 2 cover art:

Episode Topics:

00:00:00 - Franklin's Political Record
00:20:00 - Irish Culture Shock
00:30:00 - Role in the Revolution
00:40:00 - America: Land of Mediocrity
00:50:00 - On Population Growth
01:05:00 - Race and Slavery
01:20:00 - Indians/Paxton Boys
01:37:00 - BREAK
01:38:00 - From Parlor Tricks to Scientific Discovery
01:48:00 - Franklin Fried Turkey
02:03:00 - New American Prometheus
02:15:00 - Franklin Prophesy Debunked
02:30:00 - Jews in Pre-Revolutionary America
02:45:00 - Haym Solomon Megaloans
03:00:00 - Rabbi Moral Improvement Rip-Off
03:12:00 - Outro

***Jazz and James will return to their regularly scheduled pogroming on the 12/3 Midweek FTN.***

Filed Under: FTN Archive

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Racist Pirate
Racist Pirate
December 5, 2020 4:02 am

Benjamin Franklin was right only Anglos are white

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Casino inferno
Casino inferno
December 2, 2020 9:45 am

Whens the deeb dive on John Quincy Adams? I wanna know if I can name my future son J.Q.

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Exodus Unravelling
Exodus Unravelling
December 1, 2020 6:44 pm

Great show. I always like the deep dives. You guys need to do one on Churchill

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Jazzhands McFeels
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Jazzhands McFeels
December 1, 2020 9:41 pm
Reply to  Exodus Unravelling

Churchill is in the hopper

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Casino inferno
Casino inferno
December 2, 2020 9:46 am
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

The “hopper” great wording considering it means its something that about to get absolutely shredded

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commodvsdetritvs
commodvsdetritvs
November 29, 2020 11:07 pm

Prinz Eugen “oy gen”

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titanicus79
titanicus79
November 29, 2020 8:06 pm

>freaking loves science
>atheist
>loves minorities
>coomer

Ben Franklin is a Redditor

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Arthur Pierce
Arthur Pierce
November 30, 2020 5:11 pm
Reply to  titanicus79

In fairness, he *actually did* science instead of just *fucking loving* science.

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KG
KG
November 29, 2020 6:30 pm

The evolution of FTN over the past 2yrs has been amazing.

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Wichawd_Wagnew
Wichawd_Wagnew
November 29, 2020 5:33 pm

I fell asleep during the part you talked about turkeys! Now I have to go back.

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Wichawd_Wagnew
Wichawd_Wagnew
November 29, 2020 5:32 pm

I’ll confess that for several months after I started listening to TRS, I would confuse Borzoi and Jazzhands in my mind because their voices sounded similar.

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Jazzhands McFeels
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Jazzhands McFeels
November 29, 2020 7:59 pm
Reply to  Wichawd_Wagnew

>Upgrade Borzoi’s mic setup
>Spend hours configuring
>Still sounds like Jazzhnds

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November 29, 2020 5:16 pm

You want to know what the outcome of being nice to Indians is?

Read this National Geographic article about the Massacre of Wolstenholme Towne:
Wolstenholme-NG79.pdf (tamu.edu)

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Guy Ordinaire
Guy Ordinaire
November 30, 2020 9:37 am
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It’s Aesop’s fable “The Farmer and the Snake”. It tries to teach us that the greatest kindness will not bind the ungrateful and…

“It is the nature of ingrates to return evil for good: and the moralists in all ages have incessantly declaimed against the enormity of this crime, concluding that they who are capable of hurting their benefactors, are not fit to live in a community; being such, as the natural ties of parent, friend, or country, are too weak to restrain within the bounds of society.”

When will we ever learn.

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November 29, 2020 5:03 pm

Just to be clear about the Paxton Boys they weren’t just murdering innocent Indians from other tribes JUST BECAUSE they were Indians. As the Paxton Boys pointed out AT THE TIME these other Indian tribes were collaborating with the hostiles on the frontier and providing them with intelligence. The treatment they received from the Paxton Boys was payback for helping other Indians engage in mass slaughter of Whites. Oh and let me also point out that the reason the Paxton Boys marched on Philadelphia was because Quaker traders (going on the assumption that the Quakers weren’t being blamed for what… Read more »

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BobDean14
BobDean14
November 29, 2020 3:18 pm

It’s wild Franklin was doing the content of character not color of skin bit hundreds of years before MLK.

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DiceheadDago
DiceheadDago
November 29, 2020 5:22 pm
Reply to  BobDean14

So MLK wasn’t just reading speeches written by jews, but the speeches that they wrote were plagiarized too. Figures.

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CraftyBooms
CraftyBooms
November 29, 2020 3:12 pm

Thank you for the effort. Just a fabulous production of hard work that will hopefully ensure a better future.

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Wichawd_Wagnew
Wichawd_Wagnew
November 29, 2020 2:51 pm

I appreciate you dudes always include thumbnails and metadata titles on the mp3. Unlike some other TRS programs. Ahem.

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Firebrand Jay
Firebrand Jay
November 29, 2020 3:26 pm
Reply to  Wichawd_Wagnew

My favorite podcast episode I ever downloaded is download-14.mp3, and my second favorite is 147282927464849382.mp3

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Agostino
Agostino
November 29, 2020 2:11 pm

Part 1 – Wow, Franklin was kind of based.

Part 2 – …ohhhhhhhh….

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Jazzhands McFeels
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Jazzhands McFeels
November 29, 2020 6:56 pm
Reply to  Agostino

Part 1: Chaser

Part 2: Shot

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Based Bobby
Based Bobby
November 29, 2020 1:42 pm

best artwork so far, i would love a higher res version for my backround. Aesthetic as fuck!

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Frontierland
Frontierland
November 29, 2020 2:45 pm
Reply to  Based Bobby

Much obliged Bobby.

Here’s a direct link for hi-res download

Part 1
https://imgur.com/1VuHZ6M

Part 2
https://imgur.com/ZU7vPSs

Here’s a peak behind the scenes of how I got there.. Starting with an amazing bust of Franklin by French sculptor Jean-Antoine Houdon, upon which I painted some color.

https://imgur.com/SxCW3TL

Last edited 5 years ago by Frontierland
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curtrustle
curtrustle
November 29, 2020 1:12 pm

This is my favorite nnndeep nnndive yet, awesome show fellas!

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Lance Biggums
Lance Biggums
November 29, 2020 1:08 pm

When you press F5 on the content dispenser and a juicy episode rolls out

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November 29, 2020 1:06 pm

Popular election of U.S. Senators began in 1913.

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Jazzhands McFeels
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Jazzhands McFeels
November 29, 2020 6:58 pm
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I was gonna well akshually but hour 5 of 5.5 hour nnndeep-nnndive and I’m getting into full Carl mode

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November 29, 2020 7:43 pm
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

I don’t blame you a bit. Why should you have to do all the work???

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Jazzhands McFeels
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Jazzhands McFeels
November 29, 2020 7:58 pm
Reply to  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

tfw you reminisce on your lost years in conservative politics and the once firmly-held belief that repealing the 17th amendment was this aggressive, brilliant idea that would somehow change everything

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November 29, 2020 8:11 pm
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

LOL!

In my case I wanted to shorten senate terms to four years with half the senate up for election every two years. I also wanted to change the electoral college so that the house votes went to the candidate who won the district as well as putting term limits on federal judges. 2 years for district judges, 4 years for appeals court judges and 6 years for supreme court justices. I didn’t want them to have ANY security! I’m not sure if my proposals are right or left wing but nevertheless.

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Shango
Shango
December 1, 2020 2:33 pm
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

Even though the 17th amendment is against the constitution, what difference does it that have the people vote for the sentor instead of the state legislators.

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November 29, 2020 1:00 pm

“Adams was SO unpopular!”

GREAT! Now I get to post my favorite scene from the musical 1776!

1776 (1972 film) The Lees of Old Virginia w/ Reprise 1080p – YouTube

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blue_moon
blue_moon
November 29, 2020 11:23 am

F5 gang tapping in

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hippiefuckface
hippiefuckface
November 29, 2020 10:54 am

Hundred dollah bill ass muhfuggah mane sheeeit

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ShadowBroker
ShadowBroker
November 29, 2020 9:58 am

In the future high school history classes will tune into FTN every Thursday and following Monday for the Saturday show.

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DiceheadDago
DiceheadDago
November 29, 2020 7:37 pm
Reply to  ShadowBroker

In high school the fun days were when the teacher rolled the tv and VHS player into the room. Next it will be a projector with an FTN logo.

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Ursus
Ursus
November 29, 2020 9:40 am

Jazzhands, were your ancestors here in the time of Benjamin Franklin?

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Jazzhands McFeels
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Jazzhands McFeels
November 29, 2020 10:31 am
Reply to  Ursus

Yes, but just on one side and only as early as the 1740s.

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November 29, 2020 12:11 pm
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

My first ancestor in America has his own road sign!

929e86f196531a72520049298513437a3cb69e61.jpg (1280×1281) (tumblr.com)

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Ursus
Ursus
November 29, 2020 12:41 pm
Reply to  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Very interesting!

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jumpinjackfash
jumpinjackfash
November 29, 2020 1:23 pm
Reply to  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Impressive!

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Frontierland
Frontierland
November 29, 2020 2:46 pm
Reply to  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Are you sure it’s not this one…

https://www.roadtrafficsigns.com/slow-down-turkeys-crossing-sign/sku-k-9915

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November 29, 2020 7:53 pm
Reply to  Frontierland

LOL!

The turkeys are on my FATHERS side!
Get it right Frontierland!

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Ursus
Ursus
November 29, 2020 3:50 pm
Reply to  Ursus

On my dad’s side, my ancestors fought in the Russian Civil War for the White Army.

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November 29, 2020 7:56 pm
Reply to  Ursus

Then you might be interested in this:

White Road: A Russian Odyssey, 1919-1923 by Olga Ilyin (goodreads.com)

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Ursus
Ursus
November 29, 2020 9:09 pm
Reply to  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Thank you. Now to search for the audiobook version.

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November 29, 2020 10:07 pm
Reply to  Ursus

You’re welcome.
I don’t think you’re going to find an audiobook for this. It was first published in 1984.

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November 29, 2020 7:53 pm
Reply to  Ursus

For us or the French???

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Zoomerman
Zoomerman
November 29, 2020 7:49 am

Really awesome artwork.

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Frontierland
Frontierland
November 29, 2020 2:47 pm
Reply to  Zoomerman

Cheers Zoomerman

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Anne's Ghostwriter
Anne's Ghostwriter
November 29, 2020 7:04 am

Shekhinah Glory surrounds the star of Remphan which are a theme within the Great Seal of The United States. It’s an occult symbol that has something to do with the amorphic or ambiguous sexual characteristic of some god.

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bigbenisXD
bigbenisXD
November 29, 2020 6:00 pm
Reply to  Anne's Ghostwriter

Also the number 13 is significant in kabbalah because it’s the gematria of unity (AChD). It’s also connected to star of rembrandt because you can make a six pointed star out of 13 dots. Look at the back of a dollar bill for an example. Also the number 50 is significant for two reasons. First, 50 = Nun which represents the sign of Scorpio, which is often represented as the… CAW CAW… Eagle! Second, the 12 zodiac signs correlate to the 12 tribes of israel. Guess which tribe scorpio correlates to? You guessed it! Judah! I used to be really… Read more »

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bigbenisXD
bigbenisXD
November 29, 2020 6:02 pm
Reply to  bigbenisXD

Correction: Remphan not Rembrandt

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bigbenisXD
bigbenisXD
November 29, 2020 6:16 pm
Reply to  bigbenisXD

And I should say that yes it’s strange that a scorpion and an eagle should represent the same zodiac sign (fixed/immutable sign of water), but that’s just how it is. I believe the eagle is from alchemical traditions and represents the stage of distillation, but don’t quote me on that. Similarly, you might think aquarius would be a water sign, but it’s not! It’s an air sign.

All this is easy to verify. I think there is probably esoteric symbolism built into America. Just like a family crest.

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Maximilian Baxter
Maximilian Baxter
November 29, 2020 6:44 am

It’s here!

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Huntress
Huntress
November 29, 2020 6:40 am

Thank you for the education. I respect you guys for doing these deep dives with an honest intent of exploration rather than just looking for conformation bias based on earlier misconceptions. It’s been a rough Thanksgiving for me, I’ve been looking forward to 2020 for years as a celebration of some of my ancestors’ arrival at Plymouth, their arrival date is also my birthday. So corona-channed turkey has been a big disappointment. To top it off, my stove broke, so making dinner required some ingenuity and well deserved contempt for Samsung appliances. Thank you for a deep dive about the… Read more »

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Jazzhands McFeels
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Jazzhands McFeels
November 29, 2020 7:03 pm
Reply to  Huntress

You mean you didn’t have a lightning-charged Leyden jar to holocaust that butterball? Huge disappoint.

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Anne's Ghostwriter
Anne's Ghostwriter
November 29, 2020 5:16 am

Under the current White patriarchal regime, every person in the West having 1/16 sub-Saharan African or more by blood should be self motivated to return to the west coast of Africa in order to create the world’s only Utopia. If not now, when?

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Tam
Tam
November 29, 2020 3:53 am

mmmBen Franklinnnguy

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Racism Man
Racism Man
November 29, 2020 3:21 am

Wait a second, it’s not Thursday

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🦢The Autiste formerly known as Swampy🦢
🦢The Autiste formerly known as Swampy🦢
November 29, 2020 7:27 am
Reply to  Racism Man

The lying on TRS is getting out of control…

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Skitz
Skitz
November 29, 2020 2:26 am

FTN again pulling off this thankless but necessary duty with grace. We all really appreciate what you do.

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FUD-Thirsty Ghoul
FUD-Thirsty Ghoul
November 29, 2020 2:17 am

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The Rio Rhinelander
The Rio Rhinelander
November 29, 2020 3:05 am
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jeep
November 29, 2020 3:14 am
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Tam
Tam
November 29, 2020 3:52 am
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KG
November 29, 2020 4:08 am
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Anne's Ghostwriter
Anne's Ghostwriter
November 29, 2020 5:08 am
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Ursus
Ursus
November 29, 2020 5:14 am
Reply to  Anne's Ghostwriter

Don’t deserve good reviews on Uber.

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Wichawd_Wagnew
Wichawd_Wagnew
November 29, 2020 2:52 pm
Reply to  Anne's Ghostwriter

Stole my bike

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Jazzhands McFeels
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Jazzhands McFeels
November 29, 2020 7:18 pm
Reply to  Wichawd_Wagnew

Banned from Airbnb timeshare listing

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Arthur Pierce
Arthur Pierce
November 30, 2020 5:26 pm
Reply to  FUD-Thirsty Ghoul

are gay

Last edited 5 years ago by Arthur Pierce
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prayforstorms
prayforstorms
November 29, 2020 1:52 am

F5 Gang, screwing the optics and going in.

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Jeb Kacyzinski
Jeb Kacyzinski
November 29, 2020 1:41 am

F5 Gang! N

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Racism Man
Racism Man
November 29, 2020 1:32 am

F5 gang what’s good

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Ursus
Ursus
November 29, 2020 1:36 am
Reply to  Racism Man

Canoli Ben and Jerries Ice Cream.

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November 29, 2020 12:56 am

“Indians/Paxton Boys”

The Paxton Boys! Philadelphia sure was lucky they had Franklin!
Check out Jimmy Smith and the Black Boys for a similar story!
In both cases the Scots-Irish played a predominant part!

Here ya go:
Black Boys – Wikipedia

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November 29, 2020 1:01 am
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Here’s some more:
James Smith (frontiersman) – Wikipedia

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Ursus
Ursus
November 29, 2020 12:36 am

Second

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heidegger14
heidegger14
November 29, 2020 12:30 am

FIRST F5 GANG REPORTING FOR DUTY

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The Rio Rhinelander
The Rio Rhinelander
November 29, 2020 3:05 am
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MMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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heidegger14
heidegger14
November 29, 2020 3:20 am
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BENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

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The Rio Rhinelander
The Rio Rhinelander
November 29, 2020 4:56 pm
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