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Reaction to first hour: Okay, Boomers.
You should try the ‘Hezbollah first-jab’ for next time.
Mike was right, but Sven was not wrong.
Deep in your heart you know that this big-brained centrist take is on the money.
My memory is completely in sync with Sven’s
Must be a long second hour. Also, I agree with mike.
The reason the media jumped on Abu Graib was because, “look at these gentiles acting like savages”. It fed the narrative that even though Bush and his American Gentiles are serving Israel, they still need to be tamed. The “taming” of the goyim has intensified.
I think Mike is right. Both Friedman and Kristof were writing for the Times back then and they both were in favor of the war.
I can see where both Sven and Mike are coming from. This was honestly great content and it was interesting seeing how different people can see events so differently.
Agreed. It gets a bit old critiquing the dumbest Boomers on Sean Hannity Facebook groups. Prefer the big brained stuff
I don’t understand Jews, but I understand ethnic conflict. Exposing our grug crulety and stupidity ie Abu Grab, for them is as irresistible as saying what we wanna saying when we see this:
https://youtu.be/sgYJ3bqSkN8
See they think of us all as Boomers. They’re smarter than us. Maybe I’m just projecting. I definitely am. Maybe I JUST hate the grugs, and wish they were Nazis.
War against Jews good. War against white people bad. Wars for conquest are good only if we can absorb the conquered populations. If we don’t want to absorb their populations, let them be. Thus, Roman Empire and Cartago delenda est.
‘member medea benyamin and code pink?
Y’all gotta get yo heads right before you come on the show. Get some of that get right and clear yo spirits up because that shit wayin heavy on a nibba an we all watchin that mess like dayum
yeah real shit nigga
Just gonna stand there and watch me burn
Well, that’s alright because I like the way it hurts
Just gonna stand there and hear me cry
Real niggas know how it be an shiet my boys gotta scrap sometime but y’all know dey heads straight and shiet. Protec yo neck.
I wonder how much Sven’s memory was influenced by Rush’s kvetching about the liberal media rather than actual consumed content.
I do agree with Mike that the anti-war movement was total nonsense. It was really just an anti-bush movement and making it about Bush was politically useful to the left which is why the movement was designed that way. The war was already a done deal. The dispute was over who got to call the shots.
“I do agree with Mike that the anti-war movement was total nonsense. It was really just an anti-bush movement ”
Agree. Like the principled wammen marched in pussy hats when Trump quotes were revealed but still line up to watch Hollywood movies after metoo.
I’m not paying 100 dollars a month to visit argument room
“We’re all losing” lol Alex
No lies detected that the Spongebob theme song is the National Anthem.
lol mom and dad are fighting
It wasn’t about ending the war, it was about increasing the chaos and undermining the legitimacy of the government.
I this is the main takeaway.
I think Sven and Mike are both right and both seem to be viewing it from their own biases at the time. I was firmly against the war and at that time it was very much a minority position. The war seemed inevitable and looking back it seems like the media basically feigned opposition but once the bombs started dropping they all became flag waving jingoist. As a young liberal this sort of became my first blackpill on how stupid and willing to go with the flow people were. So many people nowadays claim that they were against the war… Read more »
I remember “Whose War?” by Pat Buchanan. That was huge. I was an American Conservative subscriber from the first issue.
Pat is worthy of a deep dive.
The NYT is anti-Spongebob
Mike and Sven are both kinda right about the early 2000s anti-war coverage … if that makes sense. Which it doesn’t.
There were certain opportunists trying to play the anti-war angle for the purpose of partisan politics, but there was no single large media outlet that was genuine about their anti-war sentiment regardless of what they said.
The media was for the war before they were against it.
I remember Serbia, we bombed the wrong side, though we should not have bombed anyone.
Do you remember when we bombed a passenger train full of civilians while it went over a bridge and nobody said shit about that?
No but I remember oopsie-bombing the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.
It was always bizarre how Milosevic gets put on trial almost 30 years later and poisons himself on tv
Milosevic had a heart attack in his prison cell. The dude that poisoned himself on TV was a Croat.
Oh ok
In hindsight, all the anti-war stuff was anti-Bush stuff. That way nobody ever made any connection to Israel or Zionism, because it was all evil Bush’s fault, and he’s a goy, desu. Also “liberals” were actual liberals for better or worse and not yet tranny weirdos.
“Your gonna lose respect from the audience”
[Cue lay on the spikes flashbacks]
That increased my respect +6000000%
Mommy and daddy are arguing. I’m scared.
Shhh its gonna be okay little Johnny, let’s to upstairs and watch The Next Generation
Any anti-war sentiment in the oughts was just to placate democrats. Did they vehemently criticize middle east intervention the way they vehemently criticize immigration restriction now? Sometimes the left wing media has to run a false opposition campaign for *their* base.
The media wasn’t against the war, they needed to divide the country and black pill liberals into absolutely hating white americans with no reservations. “Can you believe these evil racist neighbors of ours are for this war? Guess we have to hate them and never ever ever work with them for anything, dont even listen to them, ever.” “Can you believe these cucks want to let our country be attacked and not even doing anything about it, they blame us America for it? Never ever listen to them about anything, free market 4 lyfe!” That was why there was enough… Read more »
Actually, I think Mike might be wrong about the level of anti-war being platformed then; Sven is right that there was stuff saying the war was evil in and of itself, but this was to get liberals to see supporters of the war as evil, so Sven is wrong about it’s purpose. I do recall there was more legit evil war talk than anything since Obama.
The media get to eat their cake and keep it too, they get the war against muh Ishmaelites and they get to brow beat muh Esau white Christian conservative “Nazis”. It attacks both of the ruling elites main enemies at the same time, while we fight each other idiotically. War in the middle East is bad mkay?
People in the middle East are supposed to fight each other, and people in Europe should fight each other, it’s when these two groups get mixed up in conflicts with each other that we all get fucked.
If this is how Mike debates Destiny he will look like a delusional conspiracy theorist. A much less confrontational interpretation is the framing of the Kosher Konversation. The fact that we were even discussing invading Iraq means the Koshers already won half the battle. And then Talmudism won them the rest of the battle to get their war. So the Konspiracy is: setting the narrative for war, having outsized part of the konversation, and having outsized benefit from the war. Arguing about the “general feeling of Americans regarding the war” or even “if the Jew York Times was fully pro… Read more »
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I prefer the Trek posting to the 2003 argument posting
SAME
here we go
yeah?
yeah
Mike is right.
Thank you guys for content, once I get my new cog4zog job i can donate more.
Now that I think about it, I’m sure they would rather the paychads would upload an avatar before giving them more shekels
It’s entirely possible there were Jews opposed to the war, sincerely, as part of the Kosher sandwich. I remember hearing that Iraq was a buffer zone between Israel and Iran, and if Iraq fell, Israel would be threatened by a United Iraq-Iran. I distinctly remember Leftists being against Iraq sanctions because it killed children.
International ANSWER is a Communist front. Who runs Communists?
I think Sven is right – the Jews were not nearly as united as they are now.
Trump united jews more than the right wing, not because of optics, but because he is a lying zionist!
Well we should have caught onto his Jewish tendencies when people were bringing up him stiffing contractors he dealt with
Aloha Snackbar
Autism
Dark times at TRS
I was pretty checked out in the Oughts and believed all the WMD stuff and was fine with the war. Also I hated Muslims. In liberal areas though there was a lot of anti war sentiment , because war bad, brown muslims good.
Still don’t care for Muslims living outside of Muslim nations. It’s a damned cult that’s transmits Arab culture wherever it goes.
I believe the green stuff when copper corrodes is called verdigris. Interesting side note: the german word for verdigris is “Grünspan”.
Does that ring a bell? (((Alan Greenspan)))?
Also, the famous Reichskristallnacht was caused by the assasination of german diplomat Ernst vom Rath in Paris and his murderer, a german-polish jew, was named Herschel Feibel Grünspan.
I do remember feeling like liberals were stupid pussies for being against the Iraq war and that left-wing media said a lot of antiwar stuff. But I was also a teen and squarely in the conservative camp at the time.
Now I just see it as the usual kosher sandwich argument.
Godammit why is Braveik browser being so fucking gay and what’s the fix for it?
Lower the shields, Mr. Data.
a different browser.
Allrighty then.
Iran war a non-starter. TFW no sharia for the forseeable future.
Love that preview picture with the Shiah hand-on-chest gesture. Got no interest in *converting* but they are definitely fellow travellers.
we’re standing for the national anthem you deceitful liar
Why are you sitting like a shiah and talking about the Jews if you aren’t a Shiah? Shiah agent confirmed, call the ADL, red alert, a shiah just flew over my house
If you’re a freefag I seriously doubt your commitment to the moment. Even a rabbi columnist is willing to part with his shekels to get behind paywall
Some NGO or think tank probably subsidises a few pay walls for these journalists.
A few paywalls? Imagine thinking these Levantines don’t share the same account around like an abused HBO NOW subscription.
If ayatollah once, ayatollah six million times that Iran will find a way to come out on top.
i’m dying at the national anthem
yoooo
That’s an early show drop
I really enjoyed the fact you guys decided to do three hours of Trek content today. I found the analysis of “Spock’s Brain” especially enthralling. This is what makes my $80 a week worth it.
$80 a week? Do you get the ADL discount or something? I pay $6 gorillion a month. I asked Sven why it cost me so much and he just said something about never forgetting
I just gave my foreskin for a lifetime subscription. Now i just sit around and wait for content with my stryker waifu pillow and soylent shakes.