Welcome to Episode 87 of STRIKE and MIKE! Today Strike and Mike welcome Dr. E. Michael Jones for a discussion of race, religion, identity and Americanism. In the second half of the show we discuss the moral outlook of conservatism in America and conclude with a segment on judicial tyranny.
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- A discussion with Dr. E. Michael Jones on race, religion and identity
- Moral courage and the conservative movement
- Solidarity and Zeal: The secret to leftist power
- Post-Legal America: The dismissal of the Glenn Allen lawsuit, Amy Berman Jackson, Norman Moon, and the corruption of the court system
Theme music: "Witchburner" by Storm King
The Church can’t be sufficient to fight off Jewry and Islam when the most sinister virus, Jewry, has already infected and weakened its immune system. As Defender of Western Civilization, Catholicism is running on fumes… Vatican II would have to be reversed and proclaimed a heresy, – restoring the belief that “Jews will burn in Hell”,– and the Universal Latin Mass would have to be re-instituted,. Then we might have a fighting chance to reclaim our authority and legitimacy and amass a faith army to save the West. Because then many would join us simply for having the balls to… Read more »
The Christian ship has sailed. There’s too much scientific knowledge out there for people to maintain a faith in a mythological deity. Hell, the science has been so relentless that now you have the Left trying to tamp it down because it’s tearing it’s ideology of racial egalitarianism to shreds!
Science could be irrelevant, though, if Christianity radicalized to yesteryear levels. Shoot, if I could have my Fourth Reich and genuflect to my tradition, too,
wouldn’t I be happy as a clam?
Hey, EMJ!
RADICALIZE, then come back with your Blueprint for Action.
I won’t hold my breath.
At least you’re SELLING MORE BOOKS
In order for Christianity to “radicalize Third Reich levels” they would have to accept the relevancy of science.
Jones is one note and he is incapable of ever altering his worldview. He has terrible tunnel vision. Establishing a mutually beneficial alliance with someone like that is very difficult and maybe even impossible because they have an agenda that in their mind is totally at odds with our own. You’re always going to be used by them. They’ll come on your shows but they do so to spread their message and you get nothing in return. Immediately after Jones comes on one of “our” shows he goes on other shows or his own podcast and repudiates our premises. He… Read more »
Race is the most important thing in America. My family in particular has been on this continent since the very beginning, does that make the Welsh and English sides of my family not White since they’re American but we’d be White if we were back in the United Kingdom?
What gives white people the strength is that one day we will join our ancestors and have to look them in the face. How can we do that if we do not fight for our Folk. Mr. Jones is wrong about Pre-Christian Europe, There was Pagan Anglo-Saxon law, in fact America was founded on in. He is spouting dogma, not historic facts. I do agree we suffer from a soul sickness, but our native European faith is our best hope. He can keep his Jewish Saints. We must heal the Folk Soul.
I try to go easy on our Christian brothers, because it’s important that we all cooperate in the face of the true enemy. But, I share this sentiment. Europe wasn’t Christianized so much as Christianity was Europeanized. The Pagan traditions, holidays, laws, and legends were dressed up with the trappings of this new religion, and over the course of a millenia, a gradual syncretism took place. The same moral aversion that we feel instinctually at the sight of all this tranny garbage was felt by our ancestors when they put those people in the bog.
Ex Bosses Baptist Church is over 60% former Catholics according to her.
I’d recently been thinking of joining a church, or at least attending and seeing if I like it. This dude and that guy from TDS the other week have successfully changed my mind.
Please do. You will not regret it. Find a nearby Latin Mass Catholic parish and speak to the pastor. He will tell you how to proceed. If only for community, church is a wonderful thing. I will keep you in my prayers.
I appreciate it
Go to a baptist church.
I just wanted someone to yell at him every time he said that “race only matters when non-whites are around” Obviously!!! But now that we’ve seen this forced integration happen over and over and over again to communities that were not prepared for it, maybe we should realize that we need to embrace a racial identity even in homogeneous communities and countries as a bulwark against integration happening in the first place. Also, someone needs to tell him that you are *not* granted constitutional rights as a nominal Christian group if you advocate for the interests of the “non-privileged groups”,… Read more »
Jones has tunnel vision.
it always matters, it just isn’t always under threat.
it’s like saying that air doesn’t matter. of course people don’t worry or think much about it while it’s still available, ample, everywhere and a given.
Whatta show! I find myself moving close to God everytime I hear EMJ or listen to the Godcast. My grandparents were extremely religious. Unfortunately, it kinda faded away with my aunts and uncles. Religion is still an ingredient in our family soup, just not the main ingredient. Thank you fellas!
As a Catholic, E Michael Jones is correct on a lot of issues, however, I feel he’s missing the key point that while God is the only reason to die for a cause, ‘God’ comes in many forms to many people
you guys need to talk more about genes. you don’t think that adult animals are willing to die to secure their children or their genetic group? of course they are, study the animal world- of which humans are a part of. we’re all in genetic competition. since Catholocism and abstraction like religion is all that matters maybe E Michael Jones should go live in Honduras or Africa. Since Catholocism has turned Africans and Hondurans into civilized Japanese people or European people, why doesn’t he want to live in one of those places? I’d rather live in non-Catholic Japan than Catholic… Read more »
This was “Ok Boomer: The Episode”
On a related note, I have some EMJ books I’m giving away now.
I still need The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit.
That’s the only one I’m keeping
I’m thinking Barren Metal is worth keep too.
Is your Catholocism going to secure the genes of the European peoples?
Had an epic tuna sandwich while listening to this
If you’re considering just calling yourself a Christian and not identifying with other white people, ask yourself: – if muslims, christian and non-religious brown people in the west can ally with each other then why can’t white people ally with each other regardless of what religion we are? – when have you ever heard a brown person say to other brown people that they shouldn’t identify with their own race? – when have you ever heard a brown person say white people shouldn’t identify with each other without saying it in bad faith to get us to disarm ourselves while… Read more »
Telling White people not to focus on their racial identity is just another way to disarm us from coming together, protecting each other and our very existence whether it be past/present/future. Even if we were to disregard racial identity, the people who have set the plan in motion for our destruction, and their pawns they use, see race clear as day. They use it as motivation for what they do, the joyful disregard of the impact it entails, and they specifically hate us for our unique (and lets be honest, most diverse) identities and all the incredible feats the people… Read more »
EMJ is wrong when he says “you’re globalizing the problem.” The Roman Catholic Church is corrupt, anti-white, and universalist everywhere. The leader of the Roman Catholic Church in Poland, Archbishop Wojciech Polak, has called nationalism a sin and a heresy: https://deon.pl/kosciol/prymas-aprobata-dla-nacjonalizmu-jest-heretycka,407258 And even one of the only two “based” Archbishops in Poland, the one who called LGBT a “plague,” believes that Muslims and Hindus will go to Heaven: https://youtu.be/B7pRisz2PCo Also, many Roman Catholic priests and bishops in Poland argue that Poland should take in, for example, Filipino and Vietnamese immigrants over Ukrainian immigrants because Filipinos/Vietnamese are Catholic, and therefore belong… Read more »
E Michael Jones likes to pontificate (pun intended) on the first-principle of God giving him some kind of immutable philosophical grounding, which has some degree of truth. Indeed, it’s hard to argue with someone who is insane enough to think that he will be rewarded in the afterlife, though it’s probably the case that a great many people who believe in God and the afterlife would cower in the face of death, and a great many who do not, would not. Kind of a facile argument, but it has a grain of truth. What, then, is the first principle of… Read more »
I disagree with your anti-Christian diatribe “adamstein.” Christianity supports racial/ethnic separation, see the Tower of Babel story for example. Catholicism, however, because it abandoned the Bible for the false gospel of the Papacy, does not.
man. I just want to be a white Druid… lol. Christians never agree. these arguments never end. both of these two posts have valid points. let’s be united as Europeans.
Care to explain how Christianity does not rank a believing and baptized negroid over an unbaptized, unbelieving white man?
If it does, I reject your religion.
Go on, I’m waiting.
Dr. Jones is what, 70? Even if he’s wrong, nobody is going to convince him otherwise. Even if they could, what would be the point?
This boomer is gonna die soon. Why bother wasting the energy to get him on our side? We want young HUWHITE men on our side cause we are the future.
The whole “Zoltan from Hungary isn’t white, whiteness is a category that doesn’t operate in Hungary” claim that EMJ makes is bullshit. That dude absolutely is white, and whiteness is a historical category. Why do you think these people fought the Ottomans so viciously? Hint: it wasn’t only about religion.
BTW, Hungary is a great example of a country with a mixed religious heritage. The largest church in Hungary is the Roman Catholic Church, the second largest is the Reformed Church in Hungary, which has over 1,200 congregations and to which Orban belongs to.
I was thinking the same thing. Hes right that the WORDS race, white etc weren’t used much. Doesn’t mean they’re not white. This is maximum pillpul.
It’s still this way in parts of Europe, where people aren’t talking about race, they talk about “immigrants”. Of course common people mean “nonwhite” when they say that. But we’re not allowed to say it. It’s only used as a tool against us.
As an example, crime stats in america where “race” is used are clear. Now in a lot of europe there’s only categories for “imigrants” and “native born”. This means that blacks and araboids are disappearing into the stats of whites, and white immigrants help prop up immigrant scores.
“minorities” “immigrants” “youths” it’s all just manipulative language to cover the fact that it is non-Europeans.
Exactly, and why is there a problem facing the truth? I mind EMJ denying IQ differences between groups – he even seemed to deny IQ all together once. Yet he writes quite cerebral books so, does he deny that he is more intelligent than 90% of people? He can’t deny stupid and smart people exist!
Yeah I’ve had experiences with this while traveling Europe, even when “normie” europeans say foreigners they’re implicitly referring to non-europeans, this is an organic development not a nazi conspiracy
Right on. While people don’t really talk about race and being white explicitly, implicitly everybody understands it. Only Jews try to pretend that gypsies are Hungarians, and guess what: they are very religious compared to the general population.
I get where people are coming from when they say that race plays minor role in Eastern Europe because there are not many non-whites here (not even really true, we have tons of gypsies). It is true that people don’t categorize themselves as white like in USA however we do know whose is white and who is not, we do categorize ourselves and others when asked what race you are, it is not true that this concept is completely foreign for us.
We just don’t have the racial problems the west has(YET) but we’d absolutely get racial AF if that were the case. That’s why National Socialism in eastern europe translates to Anti-Russian. Russia is probably the singular country out of that group that is closer to western national socialism cause… well you can’t really hate Russians as a Russian if you’re a nazi. Our nazis tend to kill dagestanis and other non whites. I envy the rest of the Eastern european countries cause you guys don’t have the problem Russia has. We have a metric fuckton of land and a ton… Read more »
Emj thinks that Arab group was protected because they were religious. Just wrong! They where protected because they are a non white attack dog.
A “alt right” group That only talks religion will be coopted in no time like every religious group so far.
I get that you were being nice Mike and Eric but we all know that you could’ve btfoed him.
Wow, Jones is pathologically deluded.
Don’t get high on your own supply dawg.
Getting high on your own supply is THE Christian tradition. How do you think Jesus (aka Yeshua bar Yosef) ended up on that cross?!
I’m sorry to say, but somebody who works this hard to deconstruct white identity is not our ally…
Might be an unpopular take but of my good friends, I don’t even know what sect many of them belong to and I only know some are Catholic simply because we went to a private school together when we were younger. I do know my friends are White and /ourguys/ though.
I’ve just never been able to get into it but I do think it is great that some are devout in their faith though. So long as it doesn’t become a source of conflict. We have enough of that.
Info warriors, you can take advantage of the growing realization that the Chinese have been buying influence and using it. Point out that Jews have long done what the Chinese have been doing.
They buy congress, corrupt institutions to advocacy for them, they own 5/6th of the media (still accurate?), try to veto criticism. Jews e.g. call criticism of Israel ‘anti-semitism’.Point out your own parallels.
But with the openly acknowledged example of China, the Jews doing the same thing will feel much less like a conspiracy theory. Strike while the iron is hot.
Why would anyone want to belong to a church dominated by poc. What made the catholic church into an institution worth a damn where white people. Catholicism was a white religion since its founding. Its white European culture much to Shapiro’s chagrin
Arminius did not need any churches to realize who his true people were and gave the civilized Romans the irrecoverable blow to stay away from Germania for good. Barbarian pride!
Worldwide!
I feel bad for him in the same way I feel bad for Joe Biden on the campaign trail. It has nothing to do with their politics.
tfw you realize that the song YMCA is literally a gay disco about the Young Men’s Christian Association.
Yeah, Catholics had it bad in Elizabethian England. Go look up the reign of Bloody Mary if you want to know why.
If EMJ can be American while he says America was anti-Catholic then what is stopping him from being European? Why focus on the 100 people who were killed rather than the thousands of Catholics who weren’t?
Catholic countries attack Protestand England killing tens thousands “Oh wow 10 guys were burned at the stake!”
All the people who were killed were WHITE!!!
Protestant vs. Catholic vs. Orthodox is fucking STUPID!
Whites UNITED against the world is ….VIC-TO-RY!
Before anyone starts I like Jones well enough and have read 2 of his books. Great work but he does make mistakes like saying 700 people were massacred by the Rockerfeller goons during a mining strike. 700 were involved with the strike but only 3 or 5 actually died. Bad mistake to make.
Striker mocked Reed and Guyenot for being conspiracy theorists. Well has Jones written a book that doesn’t have a chapter on the Bavarian Illuminate? He also thinks ALL the Nazi leaders were homos lol Really Striker?
E. Michael Jones is old and senile. The bit in the beginning, where Striker mentions Eastern Orthodox Bulgarians, Serbs, and Greeks fighting each other, and EMJ starts ranting about Serbs and Croats (totally changing the topic), highlights EMJ’s senility. IF THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SERBS AND CROATS IS RELIGION, THEN WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SERBS AND BULGARIANS?!? Both groups are Southern Slavs, they follow the same religion… clearly the dividing line here is NOT religion. And it’s not the Reformation, which didn’t even reach Southeastern Europe. It’s ethnicity, i.e., belonging to a cultural and genetic past that is different from… Read more »
In this spiritual battle, the Church has been taken over by the enemy, that’s why the Church no longer fights for us. That was the objective. The Church needs to be taken back and in return we will have social cohesion, a real society with a moral grounding and working families again. That is what the Church gave us before it was taken away. That Is why the enemy worked so hard to do this.
A church can do this, but I think using the current Catholic Church is just as effective as “infiltrating the Republican Party”.
“The Church needs to be taken back…”
The only way you can take back the Church is by taking back our countries. The only way to take back our countries is with racial nationalism. Race MUST COME FIRST!!!
“Catholicism created Europe” OK Boomer
Read The Testimony of The Spade. The idea of German and Celtic people being negro tier barbarians is laughable. Granted they were no where near as advanced in areas such as engineering as the (also non Christian) Roman empire.
Savages probably captures the idea better than barbarians. But high time preference prevented me from editing before my next comment.
As a Christian I think it’s necessary to admit the absolute impotency of the churches in their current form. I can’t find a single one that would turn away gays or at the minimum preach conservative values. So fuck em
I’m an atheist. And maybe you’ve seen me arguing with Christians in the comments when Dave Reilly (or was it O’Reilly?) was a guest. But I respect the hard-nosed way you’ve faced the truth. I can call you brother with no reservations. I sincerely hope you get the Church you deserve.
I’m a white nationalist and a baptist christian and I agree.
I totally lost respect for Dr Jones here. When he said that we cannot identify as a race because (((they))) will attack us, so we have to identify as a religion I began screaming in my empty car. When we identify as a religion they don’t HAVE to attack us. They can subvert our religion to get us to attack ourselves. They can divert us. They can ignore us. They can mock us for believing in Sky God. They can wait us out as religions dwindle. And if all else fails they’ll attack us for being white anyway ie mormons.… Read more »
Damn straight notevenonce!
I cant stand this out of touch, senile boomer. The catholic church is completely harmless to the current system. I say this as someone who has sat through homilies where the priest railed against “putting children in cages”.
White nationalism gets much much more “scare press” than the pedophiles in skirts. This should tell you which scares the establishment more.
No dude they aren’t pedos! Homosexual boys (Whatever the fuck that means!? Its ok to rape 15 year old boys for being *wink wink* girly?) Were sent to the church by parents who understood the Priests would have relationships with them.
Oh here’s this one Protestant pedo I guess that means all prots are pedos! Btw lets ignore the thousands of sexual abuse scandals because they were homo relationships rather than child rape lol!
I stopped listening after 58 minutes of special pleading for Jones’s form of Creative Anachronism. Jones’s sppoky metaphysical kind of “Catholicism” didn’t keep his real-life church from being compromised. And that shows that his belief is impotent.
Great conversation and debate. EMJ is always an engaging guest!
Good grief, I like jones for a boomer, but he’ll bend over backward to avoid insulting the church and/or deny white identity.
I think you guys got it right in the last episode with Dr. Jones when you didn’t get it bogged down in the racial issue. As far as I can see there is just an irreconcilable difference there and no amount of back and forth is going to change this.
BTW I don’t know why but the way he said ‘Zoltan’ at around 51:00 is so funny for some reason.
Striker has an encyclopedic knowledge of early European history for someone his age.
“Chasing pigs through the forests of Germany”… Is Michael saying GERMANS WUZ KANGZ?
LOL
“Chasing pigs through the forests of Germany”
That ancient race of men who once upon a time trotted arrogantly through cold, black forests with the North Sea in their veins.- Evan S. Connell in Son of the Morning Star.
See? It just depends on how you put it.
Paging Exodus Americanus- early Boarish Behavior
Wild boar are savage animals and will fight their hunters, so it’s no wonder why the Celts venerated them and made them into a totem of war.
This episode made me nostalgic for the liberalists deconstruction of white identity
Also: Michael, you really like to walk on egg-shells when it comes to attacking religion, because you rightly view it as the ultimate sacred cow for these people, a position inherently deserving of respect. Why do you not view race through the same lens? Attacking the validity of the white race, in my eyes, is more morally and emotionally egregious than attacking religion, because the white race actually exists. I feel like this is another case of internalizing the narrative of our enemy and not realizing that we don’t actually need to suffer the moral validity of attacks on our… Read more »
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think it’s hilarious that it takes an appearance by E. Michael Jones and his tortured trad cath logic to get adamstein to finally write something that I TOTALLY agree with!
Ho-lee shit! Maybe this really does mean that Logos will unite us!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any internal differences fall apart when dealing with anti-whites.
“-1”
Some people in this comment section have no sense of humor!
“because the white race actually exists” yep- religion is an abstraction. genes are concrete. I value the unmaterial/spiritual/philisophical world, but it serves an human cause.
Catholicism is a fundamental part of Latin American identity, and always has been. Notice that Latin America is completely screwed up. There are many Catholic Blacks in Louisiana, and New Orleans has one of the highest murder rates in the country. Religion is not the issue.
The drug cartels with that death saint is under the flag of Catholicism
Ok, Boomer, the episode.
Reactionaries will ALWAYS stab you in the back. Don’t forget that, Mike and Striker. Jones’ argument is basically “The system demonizes whiteness, so whiteness is invalid.” He is a reactionary through and through, and you should not be giving him such a positive treatment.
Interesting point
Bro give the man his due he has been doing this shit before most of us were born and never stabbed anyone in the back. He is just spergy af. He literally began about talking about meeting with Sam Francis.
These guys grew up in a totally white dominated world. They can’t imagine a racial threat – they just can’t.
“These guys grew up in a totally white dominated world.”
I think this Biblical quote applies to them:
Jeremiah 5:21
‘Hear this now, O foolish people,
Without understanding,
Who have eyes and see not,
And who have ears and hear not
“Reactionaries will ALWAYS stab you in the back.”
Here is the first stanza of the Horst Wessel Lied:
The flag high! The ranks tightly closed!
SA marches with a calm, firm pace.
Comrades whom Red Front and Reaction shot dead
March in spirit within our ranks.
You’ll notice the third line.
Race was imported to Europe by Hitler? Uhhhh, OK dude. Look, the racial identities exist whether or not this guy likes it. How does he answer when someone just doesn’t believe in his religion, or disagrees with the US constitution as a foundation for self or group identity? Wouldn’t it be better to have something empirical that we could identify with.
YES!
Nothing irritates me more than when someone acts as if their brand of christianity is objectively true. Instead of “Well, I believe blah blah blah”, they say “Well since we know (some insane desert bullshit) happened, blah blah blah).”
The more we dialogue with the trad caths, the more I become convinced that they are enemies of our people, not strange bed-fellows, incidental allies, or what have you. Our uncle allied himself with Catholics because they had political power. In his early days, band-wagoning with the Catholic traditionalist movement spear-headed by Karl Lueger gave the National Socialists some much needed energy. These days, nobody with any power, nor large blocs of people that we need in our court, believe in Catholicism. We gain nothing by allying with them. We don’t need them, so I don’t see an argument as… Read more »
I’m happy to let these ppl do what they want and work with them when advantageous but it seems obvious that they will attack white identity before anything else……I’m not super worried about it, I don’t think they’re going to accomplish much or gain any meaningful power
You’re right, we should really just put a bookmark in it forever with a faint cry of “ok, boomer” to be trotted out whenever the latest demented old man feels he has been given the pulpit to decry white existence.
OK now I’m 57, young boomer. WN for 25 years though. Remember us, guys, there’s a few of us out here
Totally agree
I’m fucking catholic and this is the stupidest suggestion one can think of. The pope is a Jesuit. Which may as well mean jew
Unless your Catholic ideology carves out a specific exemption for race-based nationalism (not impossible to do with some tower of Babel babble), it has an inherently universalist quality that is straight up incompatible with my sensibilities. The alt right is a fucking science-based movement.
The existence of my race takes priority. Catholicism isnt worth a damn without the white people who make it work
I’m not Catholic, though I have great friends who are….I thought Jesuits were some of the most fiercest defenders of the faith. Which should mean anti-Jew
Based on what others have said the jesuits have always been known as a subversive element always trying to undermine church doctrine
“The more we dialogue with the trad caths, the more I become convinced that they are enemies of our people”
Just look at what happened to the Falangists under Trad Cath Franco. And look a what happened to Spain after Franco’s death.
“Time to cut these people out.”
Obvious D&C is obvious.
but we do gain because they counter poisonous Jewish influence as well. but I agree that they aren’t really pro-European
“Hitler: A Global Biography explores a lot of this from the early days.”
Great! Just what I need! ANOTHER book!
“Hitler made it absolutely adamant to his men not to attack Catholics, which he got a lot of grief for from his most ardent spergs.”
I only attack Catholics when they’re attacking us on our own platform. 😉
I cant even finish this podcast its cringe to here this boomer doing everything he can to avoid white identitarianism
Its not even that I cant deal with an opposing view. He is just being annoying. Its auditory unpleasantness
These attempts at deconstructing white identity are 1000x worse than the liberalists were….just say you don’t value it and prioritize your religious identity
yup. same
I think Jones does what a lot of his ilk do which is say white is too broad a category. I got another friend who does similar stuff. As I say to him I don’t care if you want to say we are white or if we are European or Roman whatever there is something that unites us that is deep and real.
I’m sorry what was this muslim group that assembled without antifa challenging them? I have no idea what time it was mentioned but I had a thought on it…