Welcome to Episode 87 of STRIKE and MIKE! Today Strike and Mike welcome Dr. E. Michael Jones for a discussion of race, religion, identity and Americanism. In the second half of the show we discuss the moral outlook of conservatism in America and conclude with a segment on judicial tyranny.
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- A discussion with Dr. E. Michael Jones on race, religion and identity
- Moral courage and the conservative movement
- Solidarity and Zeal: The secret to leftist power
- Post-Legal America: The dismissal of the Glenn Allen lawsuit, Amy Berman Jackson, Norman Moon, and the corruption of the court system
Theme music: "Witchburner" by Storm King
The whole interview seemed like a boomer trying to get around race. Will black Catholics back catholics to fight Juden? It’s stupid to even ask
Sorry Dr. Jones Harvard doesn’t discriminate against Catholics or Protestants. They discriminate against you for being white. Rallying under a religous banner outside of marching through Damascus and laying siege to retake Jerusalem is not even remotely a viable option. They want to kill you because your white. Hiding behind a denomination won’t provide a tactical advantage
exactly, black girls aren’t envious of Christians…. they’re hateful toward EUROPEAN women. brown women are mad because they see European women as genetically superior to themselves. it’s 100% in the genes.
We are three separate groups: two who fight the wars, and one who starts them.
My grandfather’s dog tags say Roman Catholic, but in practice most generations of his family were secular.
If we unite under a banner of religion, the irony will be that it will only be serving as a proxy for race and ethnicity.
underrated comment.
An hour and 22 minutes in Jones is becoming increasingly irate. Play calm down dude you’re amongst friends that think differently than you it’s okay.
The Rad Caths can’t be worked with, but can be admired for their zeal
With the situation as it is, there is a potential for change perhaps. Glad to hear things calm down 10 minutes later.
to me they’re not like your brother, in a fight…more like a 6 foot 4 strapped first cousin
The Non Denominational Traditional European Church of Jesus Christ and St Odin for the preservation of legacy American, German, British, French, Dutch, Polish, Hungarian, Russian, Canadian, Australian, Irish, Scottish, Norwegian…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….. peoples.
We’re going to need a lot of billboard space at each location but I think we can do this without saying white.
If you want it to mean “white”, we’ll have to take Irish off the list.
I think that Curt Doolittle and his work with propertarianism probably best lays out how race/ethnicity/IQ/religion/ideology/law work together as systems and has reasonable criticisms of all of them as only a true autiste could. Not so sure how I feel about propertarianism itself but I feel like his analysis of Christianity and different states in European history is the closest to the truth
Charlottesville was a victory, gentlemen. It struck fear in to the heart of the enemy, it showed whites could organize under a racially organized ideological banner. Sick and tired of this weak response to Charlottesville. What did you expect? State power?
I agree with you 100%.
Former National Alliance, 57. The struggle is long, and hard.
I love the young guys of the altright. This talk, that they have lost, gimmee a break. Their language has percolated up into the mainstream….the left, the media, politicians are using terms like ‘gaslighting’, ‘white nationalists’, even ‘boomer’ lol. This same thing happened, in the mid 60’s, as the left’s counterculture language made its way into the American mainstream. And look where we are today, in the West. They have taken the ideas of the wn 1.0’s, and made them attractive to the masses. Consumable The only criticism I have is that a lot of the young men of the… Read more »
madsubersive62 I have massive respect for the older guys like you who have been involved for so long. I can only imagine how bleak things looked in the 90s and earlier.
They were bleak aleight, but they were based too. There was Waco. Ruby Ridge. And McVeigh. There was Pat Buchanon running for President, Dr. Pierce testifying before Congress, the rise of the skinhead movement and the SPLC vs.the Aryan Nations in the courtroom. There was the rise of the National Alliance to the position of the most organized and effective “hate group” in the country.
I saw Charlottesville as a victory because it finally proved to countless young white men that they have no real means of organising lawfully and peacefully. Even if you go though the correct channels and create a lawful gathering, it will be declared unlawful in the very last moment and you will be slandered as a domestic terrorist. Charlottesville proved that the system isn’t a result of naivity, incompetence and self interest, it’s a controlled and anti-white system that is suddenly very capable of scattering a lawful gathering while being completely “incompetent” when it needs to scatter the antifa that… Read more »
Lawful and peaceful was never the intent, it was a flex. And a good one too. Other than that totally agree with yah
Christianity did not make Europe great, Europe made Christianity great. It appealed to Europeans for several reasons, for example: 1. Spirit of self sacrifice in the story of the crucifixion 2. Adherence to law 3. A personal lived experience with the divine, similar to stories in the Eddas, such as the Rigsmal Of course there were kings who imposed it on their people, but there were some generally appealing aspects. I also think EMJ should study the roughly 600 year period in Northern Europe that may be called “the hanseatic” period leading up the the Renaissance. Nothing like that had… Read more »
“Christianity did not make Europe great, Europe made Christianity great.”
Damn straight Jimmy!
Jones is wrong about the early Germans. They had logos in their life and frankly their logos saved Christianity in Iberia.
Checm this series out if you want more info:
https://youtu.be/HX8ljqgNH10
Dr. Jones: “We’re here as Catholics, black Catholics, gay Catholics, Transgender Catholics, Jewish Catholics, Muslim Catholics, paedophile Catholics, etc., and we decry the removal of the statue of the Catholic (!) Robert Lee!”
And then Charlottesville would have been a VICTORY!!!
LOL!
This was a really really good episode. I feel EMJ makes his point a bit more clear and I agree to a large extent but as Striker pointed out, you cannot dismiss common blood look at “catholic” Brazil with the murder, gay shit, abortion vs Catholic Poland. And by thy fruits you shall know them.
If Jones believes that the Irish “became” white, what if any daylight is there between him and Noel Ignatiev? Does Jones critique Ignatiev?
On fire. This is my favorite TRS podcast, and in my favorite top 3 wn podcasts.
When Jones brought up the forced integration of Italian and Irish immigrants as an argument against the validity of organizing on racial grounds, I don’t understand why strikers retort was to downplay the integration between Irish and Italians as a money grab. Jones argument already holds a strong point against his own conviction; being the integration of Italians and Irish was violent, against the will of the ethnic groups and both groups ethnic identities were basically changed forever and would have been lost if it weren’t for their home countries. Here we are today, a global order and with that… Read more »
Why can the east Asians build advanced civilizations without being Catholics?
Why could the ancient Greeks? Or the ancient Romans?
That said, props to Jones for being (at least functionally) an anti-Semite!!!
I’m a (“young”) Boomer, and my goodness, this guy makes me hate my fellow Boomers. This guy seems like Rip van Winkle. Does he really think the (real) resistance is going to come out of American churches? If so, which ones?
And…the thought of Spencer as a Catholic has me chuckling without the prospect of an end…
Maybe the EOC?
Christian Identity. They have a long history of resistance thru violence
Because they’re the real jews lol
If you don’t identify as white just try to get a job in the federal government or academia and explain it to them lol
or ahead in any corporate workplace lol
European culture, European language families, European ideas about kinship and masculinity and the ancient European mythology all come from a common source- the spread of the Aryan people in antiquity. The nations of Europe became separated when different warrior bands rode off in different directions on the Pontic steppe. No one ever became White, different nations merely rediscovered their original fraternity.
“You have no likelihood of success on race” – Jones. How does he explain Hitler’s success
Hitler caused more damage to his own people than he did to the jews
If he did such a thing he would be promoted endlessly by the system. The fact that it is verboten to even study NS mechanisms tells you all you need to know.
It irks me as a guy who is a Christian-respecter but not invested in religion that he can so lazily dismiss this. Being white is the core part of our identity. The history, the achievements, the arts, the distinct nations, languages etc – just being able to share in it is fuckin baffling. But clearly it’s only Catholicism that separates us from barbarism
“But clearly it’s only Catholicism that separates us from barbarism”
LOL!
The last refuge of a demented mind is to tell people that your position, the same position held by farmers in the Middle Ages, is tactically sound.
Alright, I’m gonna tap out. About an hour in.i cant do it
The second half is just Strike and Mike tho
I cringe when our guys identify as white. It’s like we have to play by Jew rules. We need to reset the rules. Rectify your atheism and heresy and join as one united by Christ against the synagogue of Satan.
No power in the US can stop Christians marching against Jews
Jews and other christians can and will fight to the death to stop us
I guess you just need to have faith
it’s interesting that your handle is a norse, pagan holy entity
“I guess you just need to have faith”
LOL! Yeah, in Yahweh.
Exactly, talk about fighting a war you can’t win. If any Christian group that was unequivocally anti-lgbt, anti-immigration and pro freedom of association gained any prominence the church would immediately denounce you as not followers of the church, and you’re back to square one. The police would violate your rights because they know the church (which Jones thinks he can shield himself behind) wants them to arrest you and violate you’re rights.
Christians don’t have legal protections either, they’re considered a dominant class and wouldbe subject to all the same lawfare tactics….I’m not going to try to obstruct these guys but this just doesn’t make sense
Not liking Jews doesn’t mean I have enough brain damage to believe in Christianity.
You claim to be white yet you do not believe in your ancestors and instead chose an invaders religion. I find that interesting and unfortunate.
It is painful to listen to EMJ. I respect him but he is needlessly straw-manning and does not represent us or our desired future.
Edit: This is also from someone who identifies as a Christian. True Christianity is inherent to our bio-spirit as a race and the two are inseparable. Fighting for our race means upholding God’s will and the juice will be squeezed. Stop the cucking ffs.
Tacitus would disagree with Jones on the barbarism of the Germanic pagans.
Tacitus reported monogamy amongst the Germanic pagan people’s.
Even vultures are monogamous. It’s no measure of civilisation
Most humans weren’t/aren’t monogamous. They’re generally more polygamist on the higher cultures and polyamorous in the lower cultures.
One man, one wife is very European.
It has been the bedrock of European civilization.
All the various germanic tribes were perfectly fine fighting with each other for bullshit and their tribal makeups seemed to change every time another historian documented them. No written language until Italic-inspired runes, which were used for a few hundred years until being entirely replaced with latin script, which has been used longer than any runic system ever was.
Almost everything you said is wrong or complete exaggeration.
Dr. Jones implies that white identity arose recently, but that is belied by the immigration act of 1794 (“free white men of good character”). Further, he says that the protesters at Charlottesville were denied their rights because they were white. Wrong again. If they had been protesting for green energy they would have ben lauded. Biology-> culture -> politics, religion, economics. I would be happy to argue ( and probably lose!) endlessly with Strike about politics and economics IF we still had a white country (with, of course, no “fellow whites”), but since we don’t, politics and economics are ancillary.… Read more »
We were set up at Charlottesville . We were given name tags and our identity. It was embarrassing to witness good people waste their lives. We learned nothing from the war against the states.
We beat the Jew when we identify as Catholics. First you need to find God.
Imagine disliking the jew for petty crimes while choosing to sit out on the spiritual war against their very being as contrary to all mankind.
And then we defeat the Protestants?
No, then we retake Constantinople… *then* we defeat the prots.
” *then* we defeat the prots.”
Of course because fighting other White people is Catholicism’s highest calling!
Count me out Jesus hugger!
First you need to find a seat before Paco Tamale Taco Burrito gets there with his 12 kids
Imagine going to a church with pews… ew.
Starting a sentence with imagine is childish. Youre a man. Act like it
Beatings harassment and oppression are the birth pangs of all successful revolutions
Identify as Catholic or Protestant then unite against the Jew
Identify as White and you’re ALREADY united against the Jew!
I would like to hear a debate between EMJ and KMac on the subject of race and the Jews.
My ears can’t handle these rice krispies anymore
So the takeaway is to form a catholic sect where your parents are European descendants. Got it.
Stop being disingenuous, it’s not a good look.
Is that not an accurate synthesis of these two positions discussed? I actually think it could work
Not really. There’s not need to invent a new sect or new religion which is going to be seen (rightfully so) as stupid. If you are looking to use religion to fight a temporal fight, then you are going to lose. If you instead turn to the true religion to aid you in your fight and guide your decisions, then you are far better equipped. There’s a balance and it doesn’t require childish solutions, all of our positions already exist. Don’t even need to organize under a single sect, being “Christian” alone is good enough for this. Why Christian? Because… Read more »
“There’s not need to invent a new sect or new religion which is going to be seen (rightfully so) as stupid.”
Yeah, because Christianity is stupid enough!
Does Dr. Jones think that there wouldn’t have been any problems in Philadelphia if the blacks that were moved in were Catholic?
It takes generations to behave like Catholics. Overwhelming a population with immigration is immoral to all Catholics
“Overwhelming a population with immigration is immoral to all Catholics”
LOL! Not according to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops!
Some of this sometimes seems to go over the heads of our hosts. EMJ isn’t saying “stop seeing yourself as white” or “white doesn’t exist” or “if you identify as white you are going to lose”. What he is saying is that there is an easier path to victory that achieves the same core goals and is far more of a protected class than “white”. It is our nature to root for the underdog, and “white” is still the majority, the narrative is against us, and even after losing the majority we are still not a “minority” or “underdog” to… Read more »
That’s cool and I don’t want to stop you or obstruct you but if you aren’t religious and somebody uses a Bible as an authoritative source for something and you aren’t religious it just doesn’t really go anywhere.
Christians aren’t a protected class legally, and Christian *institutions* are as hostile to what we want as all the other ones right now.
Christian identity can be muddy too nowadats which is a complication
Just because you don’t believe in the Bible doesn’t make it any less true and hopefully you eventually understand that.
This is exactly what I meant
“Just because you don’t believe in the Bible doesn’t make it any less true and hopefully you eventually understand that.”
Just because you DO believe in the Bible doesn’t make it any MORE true and hopefully YOU eventually will understand that.
My own belief bears no impact on objective truth being true.
“My own belief bears no impact on objective truth being true.”
LOL! It also doesn’t stop you from double-talk!
>>> Stryker – the Japanese collectivist worker attitude that you noted was taught to them, post WWII, by an American named William Edwards Deming.
That’s not true at all. Deming taught them the work of Shewehart et al regarding modern quality control. The Japanese spirit of loyalty is ancient.
IIRC Deming introduced the quality control system not collectivist worker attitude.
They’d had a racial and national-collective identity for a long time. invasions from Mongolians and conflicts with Chinese and Koreans and geographic separation had long since engendered that.
Oh boy, is this gonna be three hours of cringe tradcath posting?
delicate balance of 2.0x theatre for EMJ, 0.25x theatre for Our guys (the way it was meant to be experienced)
“Without the Catholic Church, Europe would be like Africa.”
“If it weren’t for St. Boniface, my ancestors would still be chasing pigs through the forests of Germany and worshiping trees.”
– E. Michael Jones
OK, so he’s J-woke. He’s also a blind ideologue and effectively anti-White. The ignorance of and contempt for his own ancestors is astonishing.
Implying people stopped hunting after they converted.
I never understood that statement
Any IQ culture can be civilised by 900 years of moral order and cultural teachings
Even the most severe mentally disabled can be. Why be Jewish and reject facts?
I’ve got 600 years to wait, so this seems like a good idea…well …maybe not…
Pretty much. If you culled the bottom 90% of the lowest in africa a few times, they would be far better off in just a few generations. There are lots of ways to accomplish that, but then how do you select for what that top 10% is and how do you carry out your plan in a way that doesn’t cause the 90% to rise up in revolt. For all the lines of ancient europe that are expressed in living europeans today, there are many more which were culled through various means. Turns out there’s this really neat thing that… Read more »
How about you and the next forty generations of your lineage devote yourselves to testing that assertion on the abos, and get back to us with the results.
So let’s look at the classic civilizations of accomplishment that are frequently trotted out.
Italy is 85% Christian and Greece is 95% Christian.
Your contempt for your own ancestors that turned from paganism is astonishing. lol
Grugg,
Greece’s accomplishments occured during paganism.
And now all greeks are christian. But I guess you get to tell Greeks what their beliefs should be based on…. larpy pagan bullshit.
“And now all greeks are christian. But I guess you get to tell Greeks what their beliefs should be based on…. larpy pagan bullshit.”
LOL! Even MORE double-talk.
First off Millennial Despair isn’t talking about the Greek’s beliefs. He’s talking about their accomplishments! And positing them during a certain historical period. In the process showing
that Christianity had NOTHING to do with it! Of course Paganism didn’t have anything to do with it either. It’s WHITENESS that produced these accomplishments! And it’s YOUR larpy Christian
bullshit that’s preventing you from seeing this!!!
My question would be why did catholicism unite Europe in the first place? The only explanation seems to be that European peoples that were a part of it found a common bond with each other that did not extend outside of white societies, and this only became possible during the age which catholic morality and culture pervaded
Because they have some sort of shared moral instinct derived from being genetically similar
The answer is obvious. The Catholic Faith requires the simple understanding that God is the explanation for all that is rational. All people can understand that regardless of IQ. The Europeans were able to adopt the concept quickly and understood that the Jew was against God, against all that rational.
“that God is the explanation for all that is rational”
LOL! Belief in a supreme being isn’t rational.
Omg, this guy is a fucking retard. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and just assume he’s senile.
Your ancestors let you down when they abandoned their faith
Trad Catholics often have this ahistorical idea that up until the 1960’s the west was a bunch of religious zealots, and that this is the reason our society is in trouble. The fact is, the west has been moving away from religion for hundreds of years, especially among the educated. Maybe its not a terrible thing if, as a society, we can move beyond worshiping a demon in the clouds. Just a thought
right. moving away from religion reduced ethnocentrism and increased scientific output. then National Socialism fixed the reduced ethnocentrism part and kept the technological progress.
¿Por que no los dos?
get a fucking embedded player for this show. you had one a few weeks ago dammit
It is quite sad, berhaps one day will get it
Paywall players are cancelled, how many times must you be corrected
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Libertarians: Trodden upon
Capitalism: Critiqued
Jews: “Deported to Madagascar”
Yep, it’s NAZBOL time.
Historically, the only White identity consciousness that has ever existed has been in the fevered brain of jews. Historically it has never occurred to whites to call ourselves White; the Gangs of New York fought each other as Italians and Irish and German etc, separate and distinct with nothing in common. If you had asked the gangs about their “white” identity you would have received a blank stare. White identity is a new perspective for whites and it is now the core of an accelerated consciousness in the European diasporas. It is puzzling for the masses to identify as “White”… Read more »
1790 Naturalization act, limited citizenship to “free white persons of good character.” The idea that Whitey needed some Jew to define himself as white is ridiculous.
Of course Whites did not need jews to define us.
I didn’t say they gave us definition
It was a matter of perspective.
I grew up in as ethnic a culture as you can get in America and it never occurred to anyone that we were “white”.
We didn’t know until recently that we were White.
Maybe that’s because we didn’t read the 1790 Naturalization Act.
All white people are under attack as white people whether we personally see that as an appropriate category or not. Sometimes you are defined by your enemy.
The reason the issue was only between religions and not race in America in the 1950s is because almost everyone was WHITE. Thats the key factor youre missing Dr. Jones. Other than that he’s generally right.
It’s really sad when some pseudo-intellectual comes up to you and starts talking about how, because social groups can be stratified by means other than race, race is an invalid category of stratification. Yes, grug, we know that humans can be stratified by categories other than race. It just so happens to be an extremely fundamental category that we are ceaselessly attacked upon, and one that, being so fundamental, completely undermines our social cohesion when used as a point of attack. Just because it’s the ultimate weapon in the arsenal of the Jew doesn’t mean that we should also fail… Read more »
I don’t agree with Dr. Jones’s conclusions on this point, but to call him a “pseudo-intellectual” is disingenuous. His scholarship speaks for itself.
I mean, he’s clearly somewhat intellectually demented, as he not only believes in God, which is somewhat questionable, but also believes in partisan religion – with zealous fervor. In fact, he views himself as a lone soldier of God against the world which, incidentally, is the exact same position held by severely mentally deranged schizophrenics. Only slightly mentally deranged people, or just a bit schizophrenic individuals, I’m sure, are functional, and, well… here we have it. That being said, I’m sure E Michael Jones is very intelligent and perhaps even a genuine intellectual; I wasn’t referring to him when I… Read more »
I was kind of hoping Striker would have the witness protection voice filter back on.
The only Logos with value in modern society are corporate brand logos.
Jones thinks it’s still 1954. Whites are not pre-eminent anymore. His arguments all fall flat.
I tell you what Dr. Jones. Go back to your old Philly neighborhood some night and take a long walk around. When they pick up your corpse the next day, you will have been killed by the new inhabitants, because you are white, not Catholic. It’s not an “empty category” you pompous ass.
Save your insults for our enemies not for a 70yo Catholic scholar who has a different way of fighting the same fight.
Jones doesn’t attack us, we owe him the same.
Also, listen to him vs Dr Brown. There isn’t a better normie-friendly way of arguing against Judaism.
You have a point, that I should be more generous to a 70 year old man. But he does often come off a pompous ass. He often uses Religion as an escape valve, e.g. dismissing atheistic moral zeal as Satanic. Granted, it is essentially Satanic, but it’s a weak tactic he uses ad nauseam
Just because we have the same enemy, it doesn’t mean we’re on the same team. Yeah he may be 70, but white identity is our #1 issue, he and his kind know that, and they spit in our face. What do we owe them at that point? We indulge them, they don’t do the same. What we think is stupid and irrelevant, and what they think is paramount and important. I dont care for the way this “mutual” friendship is being negotiated. You say we should show them respect, but where’s ours?
Jones attacks us. He is an enemy of white identity. Granted, he hasn’t devoted much of his energy to refuting race, but he would be quite a formidable enemy if he followed his inclinations and did.
“Jones doesn’t attack us,”
Bullshit! If he attacks Whiteness he’s attacking us!
The funny thing about the so-called “empty category” is how lesser socialized people tend to fall more flatly along racial lines. Prison, for example, is 100% racially stratified. If you, as a white, socialize with blacks, you are presumed to be a prison bitch, i.e. someone’s property.
The problem in America wasn’t Protestantism, as goofball Papists would have it, but a general collapse of religion and rise of secularism in the light of Darwin and other attacks on religion. These things were only possible because Protestant Christian countries like the ones in America, the UK, and Germany, built objectively superior societies to Papist countries. This success, however, ultimately led to scientism, materialism, consumerism, and the collapse of religion. Also, reminder that 90% of the based racists in America’s past were Protestants, many of them either Reformed or Baptist. God wants us to be separate, see: Tower of… Read more »
The religious powers would have remained in rough alignment without the intervention of the protestant US. I don’t think there’s a clear-cut case for Protestant supremacy.
I know it’s tempting to have a secular, world-based perspective, but in this scenario, the world is literally revolving around the US, particularly how they threw Europe out of alignment with massive resources and human capital.
Oh boy. Strike, Mike and a Catholic. Will there be some more ham-fisted Calvinist bashing?
Talking to Dr. E. “No such thing as white” Jones about race. No disrespect, I like the guy…this should be a very autistic and semantical discussion. “Huwhat is Huwhite?”
I don’t like people who try to disassemble the white race. Racial enemies are not nice guys or worthy of respect.
“Lol what is white” EMJ
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The Logos Rises.
That’s a big brain
https://i.imgur.com/TUOKewf.jpg
“The Logos Rises.”
No it doesn’t.