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FTN 265: Jazz and James See Kyle Ramos

November 14, 2019 by Jazzhands McFeels

Jazz and James discuss Dodge Duster tree pullers, DACA meta takes, egonmigs, farmer suicides, and finance capital's gutting of Middle America in hour one before pivoting to see Kyle Ramos of the Slightly Sophisticated podcast to discuss his views on conservatism and the future of American politics. If it's Thursday, it's FTN!

Get behind the paywall to access the show!

Episode Topics:

00:00:00 - Dodge Duster Tree Puller
00:07:00 - DACA Meta Takes
00:38:00 - Pump and Dump
00:45:00 - Gutting Middle America
01:07:00 - Albion Dispatches
01:13:00 - Jazz and James See Kyle
02:46:00 - Outro

h/t to Frontierland for the midweek cover art:

Filed Under: FTN Archive

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Nick
Nick
November 15, 2019 8:52 am

Jazzhands timeshare is in Cleveland. I can confirm. He loves our sportsnicker teams. Went to the Browns game with him last night.

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flashman
flashman
November 15, 2019 6:48 am

they are trying to move away from outright car ownership & towards personal lease contracts which roll over every 3 years – the monthly payments can be securitised & sold by ((banks)) & you are a life-time paycuck who upgrades to New Product according to their schedule

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Radnedge
Radnedge
November 15, 2019 6:00 am

How many white people are having mix-raced kids? I don’t know well because I don’t live in America, but I’m surprised to hear James say it’s rare, because I thought that like 10-15% of white people are marrying brown people? And I assumed that white people who are having kids outside of marriage are having mixed-race kids at an even greater rate.

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November 15, 2019 10:57 am
Reply to  Radnedge

I saw the stat somewhere and it was like 2-5% of Whites miscegenate. I was surprised by the low figure.

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Radnedge
Radnedge
November 16, 2019 6:13 am
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Wow, I’m very surprised by that given what I’ve read. I think because we don’t like it, it’s one of those things that if you see it a little bit then you think “holy shit it’s everywhere” because it’s alarming.

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Chad Hominem
Chad Hominem
November 18, 2019 8:34 pm
Reply to  Radnedge

The media also plays it up a lot more than reality, in an effort to mold consensus and make you more likely to participate in it. It’s an op.

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James
James
November 15, 2019 7:24 pm
Reply to  Radnedge

Interracial marriage is rare, but interracial kids are becoming more common

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Zyzz
Zyzz
November 16, 2019 1:26 am
Reply to  Radnedge

A lot of those interracial marriages/children are a white person with a hispanic. In many instances those hispanics are white. Technically it is considered interracial but in practice it is not.

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Radnedge
Radnedge
November 16, 2019 6:12 am
Reply to  Zyzz

@Zyzz Wow that’s whitepilling! Yes I have assumed that most Hispanics that are marrying whites are basically white, or their kids will identify as white or be identified as white by others.

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God loves niggers
God loves niggers
November 16, 2019 1:00 pm
Reply to  Radnedge

Marriage stats don’t mean jack shit; even among normal heterosexual Whites its way down, and any other race/combo is much less likely to marry at all. As such its useless to say 2-5% of marriages are interracial since most mongrel children are born out of wedlock.
Kids who identify as two or more races, I don’t have direct stats for but I literally cannot imagine it being less than 15%.

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localcope
localcope
November 16, 2019 1:40 pm
Reply to  God loves niggers

seeing how schools are down south, it is pretty damn low, the only difference is more brown people, mostly hispanic, whom are mostly mutts to begin with. they just have so many damn kids than schools bitch for more money and hospitals as well.

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basedmidwest
basedmidwest
November 15, 2019 12:33 am

“I don’t want to patch the hole in my wall with feces from the toilet. You’re being asked to plug a hole with a bunch of shit and pretend like it’s nice, plastered drywall”.

^This hilarious and wholly accurate quote is why Jazzhands McFeels is my favorite contributor to TRS.

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Trumpenrodham
Trumpenrodham
November 15, 2019 11:14 am
Reply to  basedmidwest

Feces IS your new drywall, goy.

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Wholesome Benis
Wholesome Benis
November 15, 2019 1:06 pm
Reply to  basedmidwest

I really enjoyed the Jazzhands phrase, “It’s like updating the OS on a computer that’s trying to kill you.”

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thegringo
thegringo
November 14, 2019 11:53 pm

Jazzhands is a believer in a system of government based on the “fuhrer principle”, see Kyle?

The fundamental problem in this country is juice. We need to glass of juice.

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BANIT
BANIT
November 14, 2019 10:48 pm

On the real though if scotus passes daca or doesn’t trump will fuck it up or just sit on his hands. The 700,000 beans are here to stay

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Judge Holden 🇵🇸
Judge Holden 🇵🇸
November 15, 2019 1:12 am
Reply to  BANIT

It’s all so tiresome.

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basedmidwest
basedmidwest
November 14, 2019 10:15 pm

Just looked up on FB the farm family from South Dakota who lost their father to suicide. So awful… That poor family, my heart goes out to them.

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nashorn718
nashorn718
November 14, 2019 10:09 pm

finally an ftn with actual linguistic combat that creates inspiration……….MORE GUEST SHOWS

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November 15, 2019 10:38 am
Reply to  nashorn718

“linguistic combat”

The problem is that Ramos was unarmed.

Visual representation of a libertarian in a debate:
https://media1.giphy.com/media/12ykx6CCi1Bdrq/giphy.gif

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volkcarpenter
volkcarpenter
November 15, 2019 5:24 pm
Reply to  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Dude got totally rekt

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SowellMan
SowellMan
November 14, 2019 10:02 pm

How about a game of Daily Stormer or Forward?

The Jews Of The Impeachment Showdown: A Visual Guide

https://forward.com/news/national/434664/impeachment-trump-democrats-jewish/

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lefthandrising
lefthandrising
November 14, 2019 9:16 pm

I like Kyle. Very earnest and a good sport.

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November 15, 2019 10:41 am
Reply to  lefthandrising

Yep.
He may promote the ideology of White suicide but, hey, HELLUVA nice guy!

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chillycheese
chillycheese
November 15, 2019 1:34 pm
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he’s learning, it’s a path. so stupid to shit on people who are willing to talk to us and, in a year and a half, will probably agree with us completely. I’m guessing you didn’t start out your political life as alt-right, either.

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November 15, 2019 1:47 pm
Reply to  chillycheese

Yeah I should just ignore his bullshit just because he deigns to talk to us. That’s been the problem with our side for a long time. Somebody acts nice and we lower our guard. It’s almost like it’s a tactic of our opponents. But I’ll go ahead and wait for his conversion. Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock…….when’s it going to happen? Today? Tomorrow? A year from now? Ten years from now? In the afterlife??? As for my political life you’re right I didn’t start out on the alt-right. And you couldn’t tell me anything either so I’m speaking from experience. The differences… Read more »

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chillycheese
chillycheese
November 15, 2019 8:08 pm
Reply to  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

whatever

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God loves niggers
God loves niggers
November 16, 2019 1:06 pm
Reply to  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

We bullied Allsup into submission didn’t we, and look where he is now lol.
Bullying works.

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H.P. Hovercraft
H.P. Hovercraft
November 18, 2019 1:34 am
Reply to  God loves niggers

Yeah let’s wait until Kyle actually cucks out before we write him off as a lost cause. It doesn’t hurt us to talk civilly with people who are outside of our own echo chambers. Even if Kyle never ‘gets it’, there are others listening who will.

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H.P. Hovercraft
H.P. Hovercraft
November 18, 2019 1:49 am
Reply to  H.P. Hovercraft

Although saying all that I myself simply would never have the patience myself trying to lead these lolbertarians to water and make them drink it, or try to get them to connect the g-d d-mned dots. These people living in a world of pure theory without regard to reality frustrates me.

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relikt
relikt
November 14, 2019 9:11 pm

You guys did amazing and the way you approached the debate is an excellent model for all of us talking to people in the place Kyle is in. I struggle to keep myself reigned in as well as yall during these types of convos in my day to day. But I can see the utility of the methodology. That being said it seemed like an exercise in futility getting that guy to acknowledge demographics as an issue. Seems like his own identity sets up a mental barrier preventing him from intellectual honesty concerning race. Or he hasn’t broken that particular… Read more »

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flashman
flashman
November 15, 2019 8:30 am
Reply to  relikt

it was interesting to see the nnn-guys trying to get him over the line on demographics & admit that a society is not an abstract rule book but the externalisation of the soul of the people. Bit like when a horse refuses a jump. I presume Ramos is an hispanic name though so a bit of racial solidarity there maybe (?). All you can do is make calm, rational arguments & plant seeds – most of us came here from more “normie” viewpoints

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November 15, 2019 10:52 am
Reply to  flashman

“All you can do is make calm, rational arguments & plant seeds” I don’t think calm, rational arguments work against an utopian ideology. Only the crush of reality works. I see the same thing going on with White leftists. You can (figuratively) beat them in the head with a ball-peen hammer and they’ll continue to resist. But leave them alone to face the anti-White reality all around them and in a lot of cases the fantasy will collapse. Maybe Ramos inviting the guys on his show is the first crack in his ideological façade. Or not. I’d like to see… Read more »

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flashman
flashman
November 15, 2019 3:28 pm
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I suppose I was referring slightly more particularly to the Libertarian types & the type of dialogue that can happen in peer to peer situations that can bring about conversion. Isn’t that something – in some cases the only thing alot of us can do in normie-world to try to help our situation – dropping in subtle talking-points, well-acksherlys, “hate-facts” & diluted red-pills into conversations with people ? The real value I get from my $10 is trying to learn from experts like Mike & the other TRS nibbas exactly how to argue, the facts, rhetoric & argumentation they use… Read more »

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H.P. Hovercraft
H.P. Hovercraft
November 18, 2019 2:02 am
Reply to  relikt

Not sure if it’s just his ideology, his business model as a lolbertarian podcaster, or his being Hispanic that is the problem.

I mean looking at his pics he’s white; it’s insane for white Hispanics to identify which a bunch of Indios and mestizos just because they have Spanish surnames and/or speak Spanish, yet even otherwise assimilated white hispanics often do that. “Conquistador Americans” Steve Sailor calls them.

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chillycheese
chillycheese
November 14, 2019 8:35 pm

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMRs0Ml8RF0cWVAOeQeBxTw anyone not watching Dutton by now needs to get with the program. I’d post this in the forum but there “isn’t” one.

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Malhaus(Gone)
Malhaus(Gone)
November 14, 2019 7:33 pm

When the guest introduced himself, I honestly thought what was to follow would turn out to be a waste of time.

Quite the opposite, this conversation clarified a lot of things for those of us who used to be libertarians. There’s no fence to sit on at this point: nationalism utterly trumps economics every time. It has to.

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someguy
someguy
November 14, 2019 10:50 pm
Reply to  Malhaus(Gone)

Agreed. It might have been a better show to have not in the paywall, since many people come over to this side with libertarian ideals.

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Χριστός
Χριστός
November 14, 2019 6:34 pm

plenary power.

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Jazzhands McFeels
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Jazzhands McFeels
November 14, 2019 6:44 pm
Reply to  Χριστός

Pretty close, I was looking for “plenipotentiary authority”

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chillycheese
chillycheese
November 14, 2019 6:34 pm

like Mike says, Visa-based immigration destroys the ability of unions to negotiate for higher wages. it’s not just filling job roles (taking jobs/careers from American citizens), it literally destroys union power.

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November 14, 2019 6:53 pm
Reply to  chillycheese

The point of the immigration is NOT to fill jobs. It’s to OVERFLOW them! To have a SURPLUS of labor! In my opinion that was one of the motivations of the Civil War. To “free” the slaves in order to dump them into the general labor market and ruthlessly drive down wages! The mass immigration of the late 19th and early 20’th century was motivated by the same desire. CHEAP LABOR!!!

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chillycheese
chillycheese
November 14, 2019 6:58 pm
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I know bro. I thought it was implied. yes, global capitalism is a means of exploiting infinity cheap laborers…. and also destroying unions’ ability to negotiate for higher wages and benefits, better job conditions, etc.

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November 14, 2019 7:13 pm
Reply to  chillycheese

“I thought it was implied”

It was. I just wanted to make it more explicit and forceful.

“yes, global capitalism is a means of exploiting infinity cheap laborers”

Here’s a video of an Oswald Mosley speech…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NqG2lAojNQ

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chillycheese
chillycheese
November 14, 2019 8:33 pm
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word. thanks for the link, great speech.

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KG
KG
November 14, 2019 6:18 pm

Good conversation and change of pace show. Hopefully Kyle cam away from this with a lot to think about.

I thought Jazzhands was going to lose it for a minute “ look guy have you ever heard of racial iq disparities or like know who all of these fucking fellow white academics and media types are?

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John Nada
John Nada
November 14, 2019 6:23 pm
Reply to  KG

I almost got tired of hearing kyles points and counters, but it served as a good way to respectfully debate with people without it turning sour

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Jazzhands McFeels
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Jazzhands McFeels
November 14, 2019 6:49 pm
Reply to  KG

I was getting ready to go there

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November 14, 2019 6:56 pm
Reply to  KG

“Hopefully Kyle came away from this with a lot to think about.”

Oh he did. But WILL he actually do the thinking???

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joesmith
joesmith
November 14, 2019 5:50 pm

You’re patient a f w this guy. You shoulda just laid on him who runs the media/academia etc. Also he’s not white is he?

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Jazzhands McFeels
Author
Jazzhands McFeels
November 14, 2019 6:51 pm
Reply to  joesmith

You can’t just walk up to a girl you wanna bang and say “here’s my penis”.

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November 14, 2019 7:00 pm
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

“You can’t just walk up to a girl you wanna bang and say “here’s my penis”.”

C’mon Jazz sure you can! It’s just that 99 times out of 100 she’ll scream! But as Rasputin once said, “Oh that hundredth time!”

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Jazzhands McFeels
Author
Jazzhands McFeels
November 14, 2019 7:13 pm
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“I’m helping”

-t. Wiggum

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November 14, 2019 7:28 pm
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

I don’t think I could actually.

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joesmith
joesmith
November 15, 2019 1:22 am
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

Lol says you , pal.

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Unicron riot
Unicron riot
November 14, 2019 5:17 pm

I was so worried hour 2 was gonna be grug hour. Glad our guys fashed back. All I would have said when Ramos said “we keep voting these people in” is nguy we voted Donald Trump in. He wasn’t the same old people we keep voting in. We voted to drain the wamp. Democracy doesn’t fucking work. Send him the meme of the lone white boy surrounded by shit skins saying at least I still have the Constitution.

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Radnedge
Radnedge
November 14, 2019 5:04 pm

I think I’ve come up with a new talking point. Do we have some good examples of countries that are growing their economies without mass immigration? I think India and China don’t have much immigration (APART FROM PEOPLE LEAVING FOR WHITE PEOPLE’S COUNTRIES LOL).
As far as I know they’ve maintained basically the same ethnic composition since they started growing a few decades ago.

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9NotAnArgument
9NotAnArgument
November 14, 2019 4:40 pm

Great show! And Good job you guys! I think it’s great you took Kyle on for a civil discussion/debate which we have far too little of today. It’s important to further sharpen our understanding & ability to debate & hopefully be able to change others by taking on those with different or opposing views. I hv yet to listen to whole discussion w/him but hopefully it will lead him to look deeper & continue evolving his understanding as we all hv. Of course many of us who hv been educated by ppl like Ron Paul can understand his mis-identifying large… Read more »

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Wholesome Benis
Wholesome Benis
November 14, 2019 4:33 pm

I really enjoyed how both sides kept themselves respectable in the debate, and no one turned it into vicious attacks on the other. However, I feel like Kyle Ramos was here to learn rather than debate. The number of times he seemed thunderstruck and zapped into paralysis from information overload within the first hour of the debate proved that he has a lot of research and studying to do. He depended way too much on universal crowd pleasers to buy himself time and approval (such as the “everyone knows republicans are bad” kind of statements). I can’t fault him for… Read more »

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James
James
November 14, 2019 4:47 pm
Reply to  Wholesome Benis

I would have said nearly exactly what Kyle was saying in 2012 about liberty, education, demographics, etc.

It’s easy for people at a certain stage in politics to forget that there are millions of people like them, susceptible to political evolution, that just haven’t been spurred in that direction yet. He seemed like a guy with some skepticism about the powers that be and the political theater we find ourselves in. Maybe our conversation will spur him into doing some further research and think about these things in a different way he was previously not exposed to.

Also, thank you.

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Wholesome Benis
Wholesome Benis
November 14, 2019 5:00 pm
Reply to  James

Oh, certainly even three years ago I would have also been a deer in headlights if I was in Ramos’ position. I appreciate the efforts you guys at TRS do to educate misguided ex-conservatives like me.

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Millennial Despair
Millennial Despair
November 14, 2019 10:32 pm
Reply to  James

Makes me wonder where we will all be in 10 years

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guy
guy
November 14, 2019 3:28 pm

This is why I pay TRS… so you guys can do the things (like talking with obnoxious lolbertarians) that I have no patience for. Great listen, you guys blew him the fuck out

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chillycheese
chillycheese
November 14, 2019 6:49 pm
Reply to  guy

the point is to bring him to our side, not take a shit on him..

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Dean Jello
Dean Jello
November 14, 2019 2:38 pm

Lolbertarians delenda est

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Chub Nigger'ath
Chub Nigger'ath
November 14, 2019 2:20 pm

Jesus Christ, we don’t need to open our fucking borders to get more roofers. We’re talking about the greatest race on the planet, do you think we can’t incentivize 10k whites to become roofers by offering a deduction or something? Oh yeah, that would be “managing the economy” and “muh socialism”. Ok, BOOMER.

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Radnedge
Radnedge
November 14, 2019 4:32 pm
Reply to  Chub Nigger'ath

Imagine looking at what our race’s countries look like, then looking at what others have built, and concluding that it’s us who need them to help us.
We don’t need them, we need ourselves.

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James
James
November 14, 2019 4:48 pm
Reply to  Chub Nigger'ath

Pay me the $100,000 a minute I’m making from the paywall and I’ll head up on the roof and whack a brad nailer and can of tar around for a while.

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Rick.Tracy
Rick.Tracy
November 14, 2019 1:49 pm

I’ll give Kyle the benefit for coming on to this show. His podcast is relatively small so how did you end up choosing him and talking to him?

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Jazzhands McFeels
Author
Jazzhands McFeels
November 14, 2019 3:01 pm
Reply to  Rick.Tracy

He asked us to come on

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guy
guy
November 14, 2019 3:27 pm
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

Kudos for the patience exercised when talking with that lolbert

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Chuck Neely
Chuck Neely
November 14, 2019 1:28 pm

Kyle was such a nostalgic guest. I remember those days. Had me laughing a while.

All in all, this is proper strategy. Reaching out to adjacent cohorts which need to be brought along.

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deplorable_heroes
deplorable_heroes
November 14, 2019 1:42 pm
Reply to  Chuck Neely

I had the same feeling on this guest. It was like talking to 2008 Me. LOL

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RedMedicine
RedMedicine
November 14, 2019 1:26 pm

Please no more libertarian autistic retards on the show, that was unbearable. To still be thinking along those lines today, where tech companies hold more power than governments, is just unforgivable. Such people need to be mocked relentlessly and mercilessly.

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noname06
noname06
November 14, 2019 1:37 pm
Reply to  RedMedicine

It is an excellent refresher of what we are against on the “right”. I would like a follow up interviews that talk to “boomers” and other flawed strategies.

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Jazzhands McFeels
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Jazzhands McFeels
November 14, 2019 2:06 pm
Reply to  noname06

Exactly. Retreating into a self-indulgent echo chamber is fake and gay.

Also OP, tech corps and finance capital DO hold more power than government. Maybe we should mock you.

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Icosphere
Icosphere
November 14, 2019 3:23 pm
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

I think OP just worded that poorly, pretty sure he’s saying ‘With tech companies having more power than the government, it’s unforgivable to hold lolbertarian small government views.”

Anyhow today’s show made me miss the days when striker(PBUH) would talk to all sorts of people on the people’s square/eelturn.

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RedMedicine
RedMedicine
November 15, 2019 2:09 am
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

“Also OP, tech corps and finance capital DO hold more power than government” That’s what I was saying, perhaps I didn’t word it perfectly. Anyway, I don’t listen to FTN to sit through an hour of grueling mental torture like that interview. If you want to own autistic libertarians do it on a bloodsports stream or something. It really isn’t valuable to see mentally impaired people flounder around while attempting to debate basic common sense arguments. Maybe ex-libertarians felt the need to suffer through that as a form of penance but if that’s the case they should instead be engaging… Read more »

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James
James
November 14, 2019 4:41 pm
Reply to  RedMedicine

What good would it have done anyone for us to call him names and be rude when he approached us to have a civil conversation? No one would have learned or had their minds changed.

Conversations like this are rare for the same reason Charlie Kirk, et al., are shutting down Q&As at their events: conservatism cannot stand up to scrutiny. Any time we can engage, pull back the curtain, and reveal how barren conservatism truly is, that’s a win- and worthwhile conversation- in my book.

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November 14, 2019 6:07 pm
Reply to  James

“What good would it have done anyone for us to call him names and be rude…”

LOL! I’ve literally NEVER asked myself that question!
“Calling a leftist, corporate conservative or a libertarian dirty names ISN’T good???”

https://media1.giphy.com/media/l0IymF5n3bpzTwDHG/giphy.gif

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mmbig grug hank
mmbig grug hank
November 14, 2019 12:41 pm

Jamie Dimon is Jewish. https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/finance/wall-street-titan-jamie-dimon-as-strong-as-the-rock-of-gibraltar/23507286.html?ticket=ST-4589632-xlByDfj3QUJdP7OAZqio-ap2

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Jazzhands McFeels
Author
Jazzhands McFeels
November 14, 2019 1:17 pm
Reply to  mmbig grug hank

Sheeit. I swear I’ve looked this one up before.

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November 14, 2019 6:16 pm
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

Search VDare. I think that’s where I first heard his name. It’s been a long time ago though.

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titanicus79
titanicus79
November 14, 2019 12:19 pm

I won’t make fun of Kyle because I respect his willingness to come on in good faith but he should just move to Mexico and find a thicc latinx woman to breed instead of worrying about the inner workings of our constitutional democracy

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Chuck Neely
Chuck Neely
November 14, 2019 1:37 pm
Reply to  titanicus79

I was on the edge of my seat waiting for the JQ to drop. But alas, this is november.

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Trumpenrodham
Trumpenrodham
November 15, 2019 11:25 am
Reply to  Chuck Neely

Kyle can’t handle the JQ.

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dark enlightenment
dark enlightenment
November 14, 2019 11:40 am

Nonwhites and lolberts are both awful. Nonwhite lolberts are absolutely Haram. Kyle is pure cringe.

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Tam
Tam
November 14, 2019 11:27 am

It’s good to hear these discussions from time to time, it reminds me how cold the small government constitutionalist libertarian takes are.
National Socialism is the only path forward for the White race.

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Helen
Helen
November 14, 2019 6:56 pm
Reply to  Tam

NatSoc all the way.

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Radnedge
Radnedge
November 15, 2019 12:49 am
Reply to  Tam

The fact that white people have been dragged into discussions about “big” or “small” government, while others have been out here directly advocating their racial interests just shows how deracinated and brainwashed we were.
What the government is used for is basically more important than how big it is. Small government is good when that means not shoving “low-income” housing into previously safe white communities, and big government is good when it’s restricting immigration.

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November 15, 2019 11:01 am
Reply to  Radnedge

“big government is good when it’s restricting immigration”

And ethnic cleansing. 😉

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Trumpenrodham
Trumpenrodham
November 15, 2019 11:26 am
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As we’ll see soon enough.

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SowellMan
SowellMan
November 14, 2019 11:12 am

Arghh! There’s only one Koch brother left! Stop saying “Koch brothers!”

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November 14, 2019 6:19 pm
Reply to  SowellMan

LOL!!!

God Damn it we’ve already planted one! Quit taunting me!!!

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Southern Harambe Law Centre
Southern Harambe Law Centre
November 15, 2019 11:54 pm
Reply to  SowellMan

Well Acccksshooollleeeeyy…David Koch is dead but he had three brothers. Fred, Charles, William. So despite the other two not being so active, we can still call them the Koch brothers.

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Icosphere
Icosphere
November 14, 2019 10:39 am

If it’s Thursday it’s “oh shit my phone ran out of space”
Now has anyone seen Kyle? He’s just about yay tall /

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albinoavian
albinoavian
November 14, 2019 10:28 am

As punishment for his basic bitch libertarianism Kyle needs to be locked in a room Ayatollah Striker himself. Also sad to hear you guys kinda cucking to the personal freedom bit.

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Jazzhands McFeels
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Jazzhands McFeels
November 14, 2019 10:31 am
Reply to  albinoavian

How did we “cuck on the personal freedom bit”

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albinoavian
albinoavian
November 14, 2019 10:57 am
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

I think that you guys made the mistake of granting Kyle the premise that personal liberties are some sort of abstract good in our struggle. You can correct me if I am wrong but I think you both were being polite and trying to have a pleasant conversation and not blood sports. My impression was and is that you both are more pragmatic than that but we all have our priors.

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Chub Nigger'ath
Chub Nigger'ath
November 14, 2019 11:23 am
Reply to  albinoavian

Just because juice have perverted “personal liberty” doesn’t mean that we have to become worker drones like the chinese. We can find a decent balance between the two extremes. Whites were not meant to be slaves. We need some degree of freedom to express our spirit. It’s what makes us great.

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albinoavian
albinoavian
November 14, 2019 11:34 am
Reply to  Chub Nigger'ath

The Chinese basically have NS. Being expendable worker drones is just part of their national character. Life has always been cheap to them. If we had their system but put whites in charge of it we would be significantly better off than we are now.

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Jazzhands McFeels
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Jazzhands McFeels
November 14, 2019 11:47 am
Reply to  albinoavian

Your impression that we were trying to be rhetorically pragmatic is largely correct, but what we did wasn’t a mistake. Ultimately we won concessions from Kyle on demographics, ending all immigration, corporate and financial power as supreme to “big government”, and fecklessness of the two party system. I think people in our thing get very wound up trying to take the uninitiated from 0 to 100 in one conversation (or even one comment). That’s not how it works. And when that high time preference approach fails, the response is usually “well fuck everyone who doesn’t implicitly understand things the way… Read more »

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albinoavian
albinoavian
November 14, 2019 12:04 pm
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

You are probably right and I was just being autistic about rejecting all aspects of liberalism. While I do agree that you guys won I think that against a more savvy or dishonest opponent they could have exploited that. Kyle seemed like an alright sort and if your goal was to convince him you may have been successful, but I have the suspicion that he woke up today and shook the loss off. If that was your intent I apologize, I initially thought he was just a foil you guys brought on.

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Jazzhands McFeels
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Jazzhands McFeels
November 14, 2019 12:08 pm
Reply to  albinoavian

He asked us to come on to discuss these topics. My goal was to disabuse him of these tired ideas not go for the jugular. The present state of affairs and ease with which one can point to real life evidence in support of our positions makes that task pretty easy.

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Chuck Neely
Chuck Neely
November 14, 2019 2:07 pm
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

It’s very easy to be stuck in a rut and find an excuse to stay there, spinning faulty narrative from wholecloth and pretending it’s fine. For most of us in this thing, it started with a nudge.

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Chuck Neely
Chuck Neely
November 14, 2019 2:04 pm
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

It’s highly important to remember that there are many other cohorts out there, most of which are not even on our radars. The more we talk with people, the more likely it is to uncover those cohorts and give them a nudge out of their rut. This is a very easy to game to play, the enemy knows it as well, which is why they did the AIN thing. There are many entry points and many issues which once combined with 1 or 2 other issues result in an eventual redpill. Ultimately, if you want a good harvest you have… Read more »

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WhiteyMcgee
WhiteyMcgee
November 14, 2019 5:09 pm
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

This isnt bloodsports lmfao it was a honest good faith conversation. I enjoyed it, I used to be in his shoes with my politics and it was refreshing to hear and laugh at how dumb I used to be.

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James
James
November 14, 2019 12:09 pm
Reply to  albinoavian

We didn’t “cuck” on the idea of personal freedom. Generally speaking, I want to be “free” to make choices about what I do with my property, how and where to start a business, how to raise my kids, etc. The problem with the “absolute freedom from tyranny” many libertarians demand is that it also ensures the right of people to engage in hostile, antisocial action, like the dissemination of pornography, engaging in usury, worker exploitation and so on. This is a point I made several times. I do not believe there is anything wrong with “freedom,” so long as there… Read more »

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albinoavian
albinoavian
November 14, 2019 12:28 pm
Reply to  James

Oh wow I feel very noticed right now. On the subject of freedom my issue was that I felt you were still trying to justify your position within the liberal frame. As I admitted up the thread it is entirely possible I am just being autistic because we agree on the same thing for different reasons.

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Jazzhands McFeels
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Jazzhands McFeels
November 14, 2019 12:34 pm
Reply to  albinoavian

**noticing autism intensifies**

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albinoavian
albinoavian
November 14, 2019 12:55 pm
Reply to  Jazzhands McFeels

Oof I’m going to get it hard on the call in show aren’t I?

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Giovanni
Giovanni
November 14, 2019 3:32 pm
Reply to  James

Good points. The state is required to enforce private property laws and to protect rights. Libertarians seem to think muh freedom can exist with a weak and impotent state. They also tend to think muh freedom gives them a right to impose degeneracy on all of society.

Don’t even get me started on their crackpot macroeconomic theories and commodity worship.

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Icosphere
Icosphere
November 14, 2019 2:01 pm
Reply to  albinoavian

Hail striker PBUH

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Guy Ordinaire
Guy Ordinaire
November 14, 2019 10:04 am

The black man just can’t admit the fact they are INCAPABLE of maintaining a civilization, let alone western civilization.

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WorkingClassFather
WorkingClassFather
November 14, 2019 8:56 am

Changing demographics isn’t causing our problems… let’s pack it in.

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Achtundachtzig Mark
Achtundachtzig Mark
November 14, 2019 8:34 am

These medieval historical revisionist groups are especially insidious among the “academented”.
The Alt-Right needs to create, display and keep updated lists, Jewish NGO style, of these radical anti-white scholars attempting to erase white history, complete with bio-bibs, with clear implications that their names will NOT be forgotten and woe betide them on the day of reckoning.

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WorkingClassFather
WorkingClassFather
November 14, 2019 8:58 am
Reply to  Achtundachtzig Mark

100% NEVER forget, and NEVER forgive!

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Cal Wheelan
Cal Wheelan
November 14, 2019 12:21 pm
Reply to  Achtundachtzig Mark

this has been in-progress for a while: https://judas.watch

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Achtundachtzig Mark
Achtundachtzig Mark
November 17, 2019 2:21 am
Reply to  Cal Wheelan

Well, I’ll be damned. I had no idea. Thx for the heads up!

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Michael Knight
Michael Knight
November 14, 2019 12:29 pm
Reply to  Achtundachtzig Mark

Well, you can scratch Ignatiev from that list.

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Right Wing Minecraft Squad
Right Wing Minecraft Squad
November 14, 2019 8:27 am

Man the grug takes in the second half hurt to even sleep through. I was happy to see Kyle, but I didn’t know hearing Kyle would be so upsetting. Jk kinda. Good show guys

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Achtundachtzig Mark
Achtundachtzig Mark
November 14, 2019 9:36 am
Reply to  Right Wing Minecraft Squad

I thought the dude is non-white…from the verbal.

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Right Wing Minecraft Squad
Right Wing Minecraft Squad
November 14, 2019 2:08 pm
Reply to  Achtundachtzig Mark

“Ramos”. Yeah probably

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Dean Jello
Dean Jello
November 14, 2019 2:58 pm
Reply to  Right Wing Minecraft Squad

The guy makes the case liberals convince the hoi polloi that the capitalist class is conservatives when they are actually leftists, still supports policies benefitting that class because big government bad…

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Giovanni
Giovanni
November 14, 2019 3:40 pm
Reply to  Dean Jello

Our capitalist class consists of degenerates. I have no moral qualms about taxing the shit out of these people and regulating them on levels not yet seen.

This is also another contradiction within Conservatism Inc. These woke capitalists are anti-white, promote degeneracy, and Republicans will turn around and pass massive tax cuts for these people. When I bring this up to normies and basic bitch conservatives it creates cognitive dissonance.

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Shekelsteinbergmanfieldowitz
Shekelsteinbergmanfieldowitz
November 14, 2019 7:26 am

Medium pace – lol. Sitting around a CD player with friends laughing our asses off to Adam Sandler’s comedy CDs. What an innocent time that was. Now child trannies.

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SeventhSon
SeventhSon
November 14, 2019 10:35 am
Reply to  Shekelsteinbergmanfieldowitz

Piece of shit car…

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Shekelsteinbergmanfieldowitz
Shekelsteinbergmanfieldowitz
November 14, 2019 1:49 pm
Reply to  SeventhSon

Oh well I already heard that one ya piece a fuckin repeatin sheeit!

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white-presenting sicilian
white-presenting sicilian
November 14, 2019 7:15 am

I thought it was a Plymouth duster.

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SowellMan
SowellMan
November 14, 2019 11:11 am
Reply to  white-presenting sicilian

It’s all badge engineering anyway. Plymouth, Dodge, Chrysler, whatever.

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no3rdseat
no3rdseat
November 15, 2019 4:20 pm
Reply to  white-presenting sicilian

You sir are correct. The Dodge variant was called the Demon.

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WorkingClassFather
WorkingClassFather
November 14, 2019 7:00 am

People complain about the government but don’t do anything?! Wtf do you think “us” and the people at TRS are trying to do? Everytime someone speaks up, they get their lives destroyed by the CAPITALISTS, not government.

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November 14, 2019 6:35 pm
Reply to  WorkingClassFather

” Everytime someone speaks up, they get their lives destroyed by the CAPITALISTS, not government.”

Well modernslave I think you’re right in that any time the government does destroy someone’s life it’s at the behest of CAPITALISTS. So…CAPITALISTS!

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WorkingClassFather
WorkingClassFather
November 14, 2019 6:45 am

Muh not real capitalism. I can’t listen to the rest of these decades old takes. Our problems are weak government being controlled by CAPITALISTS.

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WorkingClassFather
WorkingClassFather
November 14, 2019 6:39 am

Small government = total degenerate capitalist control. NS is the only way

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white-presenting sicilian
white-presenting sicilian
November 14, 2019 7:12 am
Reply to  WorkingClassFather

Fucking A right BORTHER

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Southern Harambe Law Centre
Southern Harambe Law Centre
November 16, 2019 12:02 am
Reply to  WorkingClassFather

Unless we became the capitalist class ourselves, in which case we would probably like small government. Thothalithm [socialism] is inefficient at created economic success but also bad at creating mass misery. Only capitalism, through advertising and usury is capable of the most radical liberationist believes. It fucks your mind and then you pay a jewish shrink to fix it. Can’t make this stuff up.

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Cornelius Tacitus
Cornelius Tacitus
November 14, 2019 5:54 am

Some of us should send Noel Ignatiev’s family a nice card or something. He was a great man, we should reach out to his family and send them our regards.

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Judge Holden 🇵🇸
Judge Holden 🇵🇸
November 14, 2019 12:18 pm
Reply to  Cornelius Tacitus

It’s nearly the season to wish them a happy hanukkah.

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Bacon
Bacon
November 14, 2019 4:50 am

Props to Kyle for going on the show, I imagine it isn’t easy going onto someone else’s turf. That being said, I just don’t see his hypothetical solutions really changing anything. Almost feel like he is in denial about the state of this country and the course it is on.

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Codaius
Codaius
November 14, 2019 5:23 am
Reply to  Bacon

That’s because Constitutionalists are worshipping a corpse.

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Chuck Neely
Chuck Neely
November 14, 2019 2:10 pm
Reply to  Codaius

It really is little more than cargo cult at this point.

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Dean Jello
Dean Jello
November 14, 2019 3:01 pm
Reply to  Bacon

It was copepoast.mp3

Anyway, one argument to the fake don’t notice argument they make is “If demographics don’t matter in the long run, why would it matter if we kept them the same? “

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retardedfrenchgal
retardedfrenchgal
November 14, 2019 3:26 am

Kyle is hard to listen to

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deerpark2019
deerpark2019
November 14, 2019 3:07 am

Listening at 0300. Night off. Glad I got behind the paywall. Melbourne FL.

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⚡️❤️Nationalist Worldview?⚡️
⚡️❤️Nationalist Worldview?⚡️
November 14, 2019 1:39 am

Trump’s economy hinges on new construction. He knew that shortened times for building permits would jump start the economy. On larger projects, many times permits could take years. Now they take 3 to 6 months. It’s not hard to see if you are actually a working class person.

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James
James
November 14, 2019 4:05 am
Reply to  ⚡️❤️Nationalist Worldview?⚡️

How has the Trump administration done anything to expedite permitting for most new construction? In my experience the permits most difficult to secure are from the county & state; the federal government only gets involved when there is a HUD/Interior/BLM impact to consider.

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⚡️❤️Nationalist Worldview?⚡️
⚡️❤️Nationalist Worldview?⚡️
November 14, 2019 11:25 am
Reply to  James

I’m not defending him here, but at the start of his administration, Trump did sign many executive actions that ended environmental impact studies & other such things. All large projects will involve federal regulations regarding water ways & other environmental impacts including dust management etc. Where I live the economy hasn’t been this good for over a decade. Of course, I realize it won’t last forever. It never does.

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November 14, 2019 6:45 pm
Reply to  ⚡️❤️Nationalist Worldview?⚡️

“Where I live the economy hasn’t been this good for over a decade”

As I sure you know not all parts of the country are doing so well.

“Of course, I realize it won’t last forever. It never does.”

Damn straight it won’t because our economy is always run like a Ponzi scheme. Trump hasn’t done a damn thing about. He hasn’t even addressed it in a speech. Because he’s stooge of the system.

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November 14, 2019 1:26 am

Frontierland’s got me thinking about Reading Rainbow, now.

This farmer suicide show note doesn’t look good…

Obligatory

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Frontierland
Frontierland
November 14, 2019 5:12 am
Reply to  .

Early 80’s. Reading Rainbow. A blast from the past to be sure.

Once upon a time…
When both rainbows and reading were somewhat innocent, not yet perverted by degenerate drag queen story hour.

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November 14, 2019 6:48 pm
Reply to  Frontierland

Early 80’s? Reading Rainbow?
Ho-lee SHIT! Where’s the seppuku knife???
https://media2.giphy.com/media/122QtQtrjpUHYs/giphy.gif

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Tam
Tam
November 14, 2019 12:23 am

F5 GANG GANG

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